All Categories› Sky Poker Strategy› The Poker Clinic

You need to be logged in to your Sky Poker account above to post discussions and comments.

You might need to refresh your page afterwards.

Sky Poker forums will be temporarily unavailable from 11pm Wednesday July 25th.
Sky Poker Forums is upgrading its look! Stay tuned for the big reveal!

If we decide not to 3bet pre out of the small blind oop, do we have to fold pre when BB raises?

ilove2h8prilove2h8pr
edited April 2012 in The Poker Clinic
ilove2h8prSmall blind 15.0015.001965.00betstan56Big blind 30.0045.001760.00 Your hole cardsAK   bob909Raise 120.00165.001330.00michael876Fold    highking11Fold    hardygirl2Call 120.00285.001860.00ilove2h8prCall 105.00390.001860.00betstan56Raise 360.00750.001400.00bob909Call 270.001020.001060.00hardygirl2Fold   

First intinct was to go all in here, but it being a dym i decided not to....good/bad right/wrong?  His bet sizing just basically says "I have a massive hand and wont fold" I thought, mostly readless though.

Currently on 11 win streak @ 3 + £5 dym, thats good right?
· Share on FacebookShare on Twitter

Comments

  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited April 2012
    I think with the 3bet, and the call behind, a shove from you is almost certain to get called by at least 1 player which means you're very likely flipping and as I'm sure you know, doubling up in  DYM definitely doesn't guarantee a cash, so I'm sure the DYM experts on here will say it's probably a fold now as played. Blinds are still very low and you've still basically got your starting stack so I don't think you need to take this risk. If it wasn't a DYM, I probably jam.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail
    edited April 2012
    Just cry until you get timed out : (

    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN
    edited April 2012
    This is why i hate Dym :( lol ez shove in tourney

    btw gg last night in mini was fun, obviously i play looser if u wernt behind me ;) 
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8
    edited April 2012
    Have to fold to 3bet, it's not fun but you don't need to win these things to win money.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • rancidrancid
    edited April 2012
    no 3 bet & fold is ok
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • ilove2h8prilove2h8pr
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: If we decide not to 3bet pre out of the small blind oop, do we have to fold pre when BB raises?:
    This is why i hate Dym :( lol ez shove in tourney btw gg last night in mini was fun, obviously i play looser if u wernt behind me ;) 
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    Yeah was surprised you were so inactive.  Was just a bit of fun tbh.  Let wheels come off towards end and made a stupid call AI, but had developed (degraded) image to the point where was happy to take what I figured was a flip when first shover was likely sharing cards.

    Paticularly enjoyed paying off your river bet holding 10's full for like 80bbs  with Ahigh :p  Oh n 3betting you blind on blind with 24.

    I played pretty bad tbh :) lol.  Howd you end up?

    In OP SB had K's n utg 4xer had 9's, getting it all in on J high flop, oh I folded.  Not sure folding was right, but my image was pretty solid and seemed like he had been paying attention.  Didnt think he wud do it with AQ so felt like i had to get out of it.
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • ilove2h8prilove2h8pr
    edited April 2012
    ilove2h8pr Small blind   15.00 15.00 1965.00
    betstan56 Big blind   30.00 45.00 1760.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • K
    		     
    bob909 Raise   120.00 165.00 1330.00
    michael876 Fold        
    highking11 Fold        
    hardygirl2 Call   120.00 285.00 1860.00
    ilove2h8pr Call   105.00 390.00 1860.00
    betstan56 Raise   360.00 750.00 1400.00
    bob909 Call   270.00 1020.00 1060.00
    hardygirl2 Fold        
    ilove2h8pr Fold        
    Flop
       
    • J
    • 3
    • 4
    		     
    betstan56 All-in   1400.00 2420.00 0.00
    bob909 All-in   1060.00 3480.00 0.00
    betstan56 Unmatched bet   340.00 3140.00 340.00
    betstan56 Show
    • K
    • K
    		     
    bob909 Show
    • 9
    • 9
    		     
    Turn
       
    • 10
    		     
    River
       
    • 8
    		     
    betstan56 Win Pair of Kings 3140.00   3480.00
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • ilove2h8prilove2h8pr
    edited April 2012
    Turn was a nice sweat though :p
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • AMYBRAMYBR
    edited April 2012
    In Response to If we decide not to 3bet pre out of the small blind oop, do we have to fold pre when BB raises?:
    ilove2h8pr Small blind   15.00 15.00 1965.00 betstan56 Big blind   30.00 45.00 1760.00   Your hole cards A K       bob909 Raise   120.00 165.00 1330.00 michael876 Fold         highking11 Fold         hardygirl2 Call   120.00 285.00 1860.00 ilove2h8pr Call   105.00 390.00 1860.00 betstan56 Raise   360.00 750.00 1400.00 bob909 Call   270.00 1020.00 1060.00 hardygirl2 Fold       First intinct was to go all in here, but it being a dym i decided not to....good/bad right/wrong?  His bet sizing just basically says "I have a massive hand and wont fold" I thought, mostly readless though. Currently on 11 win streak @ 3 + £5 dym, thats good right?
    Posted by ilove2h8pr
    How do.

    Did tell you itd work out bud :p.

    As played I do fold pre I think, that is If I dont opt to 3bet as you say.  DYM...myeh :p


    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • SHANXTASHANXTA
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: If we decide not to 3bet pre out of the small blind oop, do we have to fold pre when BB raises?:
    Just cry until you get timed out : (
    Posted by Poker_Fail
    this
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: If we decide not to 3bet pre out of the small blind oop, do we have to fold pre when BB raises?:
    In Response to Re: If we decide not to 3bet pre out of the small blind oop, do we have to fold pre when BB raises? : this
    Posted by SHANXTA
    Just one of those sick spots where you suddenly hate your life.

    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • ilove2h8prilove2h8pr
    edited April 2012
    Ermmm wasnt quite thhaaaarrttt bad.  (Not like when you knock over your last can of beer on a friday night n shops r closed).

    Managed to eek out a cash vs vry laggy table so happy enough
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: If we decide not to 3bet pre out of the small blind oop, do we have to fold pre when BB raises?:
    In Response to Re: If we decide not to 3bet pre out of the small blind oop, do we have to fold pre when BB raises? : Yeah was surprised you were so inactive.  Was just a bit of fun tbh.  Let wheels come off towards end and made a stupid call AI, but had developed (degraded) image to the point where was happy to take what I figured was a flip when first shover was likely sharing cards. Paticularly enjoyed paying off your river bet holding 10's full for like 80bbs  with Ahigh :p  Oh n 3betting you blind on blind with 24. I played pretty bad tbh :) lol.  Howd you end up? In OP SB had K's n utg 4xer had 9's, getting it all in on J high flop, oh I folded.  Not sure folding was right, but my image was pretty solid and seemed like he had been paying attention.  Didnt think he wud do it with AQ so felt like i had to get out of it.
    Posted by ilove2h8pr
    Yeah i do play loose generally but tightened up because you and the person behind you were calling behind :) I did love the call my 3 barrell with nutz with A high ty sir :)

    Think was like 20 out of money shoved 13 bigs SB v BB KQ v JJ, didnt get there left with 1bb gg, played ok tho and havent been playing as much of late so probably why i was a bit tighter too, taking it a bit serious for a £3.30 lol 
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • SkyPokerTVSkyPokerTV
    edited April 2012
    Hi,

    Thank you for your post, If you would like us to analyse this hand on tomorrows Poker Clinic Show at 8pm, please post your hand ID and which tournament/Cash Table its from.
    Unfortunately we can only show hands from tables with the TV icon.

    All the best

    TV TEAM
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited April 2012
    In Response to If we decide not to 3bet pre out of the small blind oop, do we have to fold pre when BB raises?:
    ilove2h8pr Small blind   15.00 15.00 1965.00 betstan56 Big blind   30.00 45.00 1760.00   Your hole cards A K       bob909 Raise   120.00 165.00 1330.00 michael876 Fold         highking11 Fold         hardygirl2 Call   120.00 285.00 1860.00 ilove2h8pr Call   105.00 390.00 1860.00 betstan56 Raise   360.00 750.00 1400.00 bob909 Call   270.00 1020.00 1060.00 hardygirl2 Fold       First intinct was to go all in here, but it being a dym i decided not to....good/bad right/wrong?  His bet sizing just basically says "I have a massive hand and wont fold" I thought, mostly readless though. Currently on 11 win streak @ 3 + £5 dym, thats good right?
    Posted by ilove2h8pr
    Get away...u r up v a pair in level 2. Mind sometimes its nice to push and put the decision to him.
     May i ask you a q please? Played with u a while ago and felt perplexed that you offered 'advice' ("donkbet") to someone else at the table. Do u use this as a tactic to get in someone's head and give you an edge? I'm not decrying it as he may not have chat on/ be bothered/ be a better player etc. You weren't malicious or anything just 'helpful' but it did surprise me and you had lost the pot to him. Just wondering..
    Very good run by the way. Keep it up....Cheers
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • ilove2h8prilove2h8pr
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: If we decide not to 3bet pre out of the small blind oop, do we have to fold pre when BB raises?:
    In Response to If we decide not to 3bet pre out of the small blind oop, do we have to fold pre when BB raises? : Get away...u r up v a pair in level 2. Mind sometimes its nice to push and put the decision to him.  May i ask you a q please? Played with u a while ago and felt perplexed that you offered 'advice' ("donkbet") to someone else at the table. Do u use this as a tactic to get in someone's head and give you an edge? I'm not decrying it as he may not have chat on/ be bothered/ be a better player etc. You weren't malicious or anything just 'helpful' but it did surprise me and you had lost the pot to him. Just wondering.. Very good run by the way. Keep it up....Cheers
    Posted by profman15

    Lolz.  Have a vague memory of this think I did 2 in chat back quite quickly?  Like:

    "Is it good strategy to limp into every pot in a dym and bet pot on each street?"

    &

    "Is it good strategy to donk pot in every hand in a dym making it impossible for me to call you...?"

    I was a bit drunk and getting annoyed at how bad a few players were playing.

    Was rude and out of order, I'll try to be better :) , but glad it didnt come off bad :)

    Thing is, I solely play MTT & S+G, which r very different to DYM's.  But as so SKY run such a small volume of S+G's I think ppl just register due to lack of alternative not really understanding the difference.  (SKY themselves dont run the low volume, the players dictate that its low volume I guess.)
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: If we decide not to 3bet pre out of the small blind oop, do we have to fold pre when BB raises?:
    In Response to Re: If we decide not to 3bet pre out of the small blind oop, do we have to fold pre when BB raises? : Lolz.  Have a vague memory of this think I did 2 in chat back quite quickly?  Like: "Is it good strategy to limp into every pot in a dym and bet pot on each street?" & "Is it good strategy to donk pot in every hand in a dym making it impossible for me to call you...?" I was a bit drunk and getting annoyed at how bad a few players were playing. Was rude and out of order, I'll try to be better :) , but glad it didnt come off bad :) Thing is, I solely play MTT & S+G, which r very different to DYM's.  But as so SKY run such a small volume of S+G's I think ppl just register due to lack of alternative not really understanding the difference.  (SKY themselves dont run the low volume, the players dictate that its low volume I guess.)
    Posted by ilove2h8pr
    Thanks for the reply ma'am. I'm not being critical and i realised that he had upset you with a poor play. I do understand and you weren't rude or abusive, maybe just a bit sarcastic though its open to interpretation. Mind we laughed together when you had a go at his donk bet of his then donked yourself a few hds later. (It was me who put "donk bet?" in the chat box). It was fun and certainly not out of order. you were just showing your frustration. To be honest i cant even remember the result or whatever...
    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
  • ilove2h8prilove2h8pr
    edited April 2012
    If I donked there'd have been a reason lol

    Was at the bottom of second bottle of red in that session so who knows tho? :)

    Just as an aside I think sky have made me concentrate on plaing in position more.  Only for the fact it is so glitchy on my laptop for some reason that if i dare play an hand out of position then AT LEAST 3/4's of my timebar has gone b4 i get a chance to act.  Anyone else get this?

    · Share on FacebookShare on Twitter
Sign In or Register to comment.