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HU 50/£1 cash game 300bs deep. Try and get it in on flop or manage pot size IP?
Thats a pretty narrow range to give him, but if you are sure of it I prob call and ship over a bet or vbet myself a non A non diamond turn
What do you think you are 45% against? If its the bare Ad you should be a slight favourite I think
What do you think you are 45% against? If its the bare Ad you should be a slight favourite I think
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Playing HU vs a guy I dont like who holds over my in a certain game format as he is a station who runs uber good. Kind of got into an argument where I basically said in a solid format he'd never win... Yes I can be a jerk (obv).
However I do hold over him in cash. As he doesnt know how to bet his hands for value and simply plays his hands vs board. HU cash wet dream.
Started off well and got him down to about £100 from starting £300 each. But seems to have turned and think he has a slight lead. Confidence slipping slightly but ..myeh.
Ok.... The hand. I have been making it £2.5 pretty much every hand from the SB HU. Do so with K10o. He flats and checks dark as he has done for the majority.
Kd 6d 4d. I bet £4 and he tank raises me to £45. Its never really a bluff, its pretty much always the Ad. (have played HU with him alot).
I feel confident that if I ship it here he will call and I do currently have the best hand, but is 55/45 in his favour.
I want to beat him very badly! lol.
Go for it here?
OR
Call IP and see if a D falls (knowing we wont put another penny in if it does)?
call & v/b non D turn sounds cool
I dont pretend to be a great deep stacks cash player, prob my weakest format.
Can we VB non D turn if he checks? Do we really want to open ourselves up to a crai IP?
Because IP flatted to see what came/what bet I would see on turn. But he quickly checks. I dont really see betting as best but am prob wrong here if we are confident we are vs a draw, but stacks are set up perfectly for a crai w equity.
River is another brick, he quickly checks again. I toy with idea of vb, but dont think he has anything to call with and still dont want to open that door. As said Ad6c.
He seemed to tilt after this. I won two big pots (one where he let me crack his set, going from <1%on flop to 30% @ turn courtesy of a free card) then got last 60bigs in on a race and won.
He was not happy.....I was though wheeeeeeeeee
How sure are you of your reads here? Like you seem really sure but dont want to reopen the betting. I can understand this, I wouldnt generally be firing turn or river, but if your read is that certain you prob should. I really doubt anyone like this guy ever folds to a turnbet, there is value there so take it. Again on river,I doubt he crai hardly ever, it might be worth firing small and hoping to get a stubborn call or snap off a bluff raise. I wouldnt normally recommend this, but it would seem to be the thing to do given your reads
Yeah def missed a bet on turn or river for value/protection. He def wont fold turn up to 2/3 pot with naked flush I think. But as said, stacks are set up nicely for a crai semi bluff with plenty of equity + have to decide there if am against a made hand, whereas I can manage pot size IP going to river.
This is what I couldnt decide on.
Def a vl river bet tho.
Just to be clear, in heads-up play open-folding the button with KT (or almost any other hand) is bad.
First: 5/9/2011
Last: 16/4/2012
Posted by wayne1958
I think this is a joke being carried over from another thread.
I think if someone says tha someone has a read on someone that they have played with frequently then its better to just to move forward with that assumption than just challenge it for the sake of it tbh.
Lagyfingers: getting in on flop has nothing to do with comfort or lack of. No reason to get it in on a flip when we can manage potsize IP. With the advantage of making our decision following whatever action we see from oppo on turn.
This deep wasnt sure on best line. Have to feel flatting flop IP was right, but missed a bet on river.
you say this is always Adx, then you get worried about him having a made hand on turn. If you are going to give him such a specific range then play accordingly. Which in this case means b/c turn, b/c river. Its an extremely narrow range though, and its usually impossible to narrow players ranges that much.
Dont really agree that you should be jamming flop if you know he has bare Ad. It will be profitable, but not always more profitable than calling. Especially when your read is so strong and you kill all implied odds
Even totally readless I go for draw and reassess @ turn
You said he has Adx in your first post. Thats really specific, you seem to be backing off on that now. So if its not Adx 100% of time, what is your read? Like everyone knows its a draw some % and a better hand some %.
All Im saying if you make his range Adx ONLY then play optimally against that range. If its not, then we play differently
The fact he checks means nothing, when he raises 5xpot that means something. You think this means a draw, fine. We need to consider how often its a draw or something else, how he proceeds facing a raise or when we call with these hands
Readless I would definitely be controlling pot and definitely not 3betting flop
If you look back I did scale back range to non NFD w/out over. Being 9 outs rather than 12. But still feel 0FE.
Have to be honest instict was strong given history with oppo (and was right), but agree could easily have been 9 outs rather than 12 (when infact was 14 with nfd + pr).
Not backing off in anyway, as said scaled back range in 1st reply. Just weighing up pros & cons of VB river vs weird crai on turn/river with equity.
Will worse call river after missing everything following b/c on flop? Doubtful. Will be induce action we wont be comfortable with....myeh maybe.
I already said I obv should vb river....
Not happy opening up equity crai on turn
But never getting it on on flop.
Am confused
Say we adapt 2.2x14x2 to 3.8x14 we are still a slight dog either way with a margin of 6% with 0FE.
Se where we do GT's (which as backed up by LolRaise is undoubtably correct) or mine, we are still a dog.
This is obv on the basis of him "showing us his hand as you say".
I dont see the senss in inflating pot IP on flop with 0fe vs suspect range, nor setting up an equity crai on turn when we open.
But given reads have to vb river, even if it is just to not show hand.