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Are these variance or bad play?

edited April 2012 in The Poker Clinic
Am in the midst of worst downswing ever..these are hands from last coupleof hours play....am I running bad or just playing bad???
BeechwoodX Small blind   £0.25 £0.25 £84.35
Mucka1 Big blind   £0.50 £0.75 £47.85
  Your hole cards
  • J
  • A
     
eagle05 Fold        
Die_hard Fold        
SJspanky1 Raise   £2.00 £2.75 £51.82
BeechwoodX Call   £1.75 £4.50 £82.60
Mucka1 Fold        
Flop
   
  • 2
  • 6
  • 2
     
BeechwoodX Check        
SJspanky1 Bet   £3.38 £7.88 £48.44
BeechwoodX Call   £3.38 £11.26 £79.22
Turn
   
  • J
     
BeechwoodX Check        
SJspanky1 Bet   £8.45 £19.71 £39.99
BeechwoodX Raise   £16.90 £36.61 £62.32
SJspanky1 Call   £8.45 £45.06 £31.54
River
   
  • 10
     
BeechwoodX Bet   £22.53 £67.59 £39.79
SJspanky1 Call   £22.53 £90.12 £9.01
BeechwoodX Show
  • J
  • J
     
SJspanky1 Muck
  • J
  • A
     
BeechwoodX Win Full House, Jacks and 2s £88.32   £128.11

Comments

  • edited April 2012
    eagle05 Small blind   £0.25 £0.25 £62.66
    SJspanky1 Big blind   £0.50 £0.75 £51.51
      Your hole cards
    • 6
    • 6
         
    Die_hard Fold        
    CalmDown Fold        
    cobra2k909 Fold        
    eagle05 Raise   £1.25 £2.00 £61.41
    SJspanky1 Call   £1.00 £3.00 £50.51
    Flop
       
    • 6
    • K
    • A
         
    eagle05 Bet   £1.50 £4.50 £59.91
    SJspanky1 Call   £1.50 £6.00 £49.01
    Turn
       
    • A
         
    eagle05 Bet   £4.50 £10.50 £55.41
    SJspanky1 Call   £4.50 £15.00 £44.51
    River
       
    • J
         
    eagle05 Bet   £11.25 £26.25 £44.16
    SJspanky1 Raise   £30.00 £56.25 £14.51
    eagle05 All-in   £44.16 £100.41 £0.00
    SJspanky1 All-in   £14.51 £114.92 £0.00
    eagle05 Unmatched bet   £10.90 £104.02 £10.90
    eagle05 Show
    • K
    • K
         
    SJspanky1 Show
    • 6
    • 6
         
    eagle05 Win Full House, Kings and Aces £102.22   £113.12
  • edited April 2012
    cpfc123 Small blind   £0.25 £0.25 £95.82
    style2737 Big blind   £0.50 £0.75 £49.50
      Your hole cards
    • 9
    • 2
    • Q
    • Q
         
    CalmDown Fold        
    TRINI Call   £0.50 £1.25 £56.19
    SJspanky1 Call   £0.50 £1.75 £60.02
    cpfc123 Call   £0.25 £2.00 £95.57
    style2737 Check        
    Flop
       
    • Q
    • 7
    • 5
         
    cpfc123 Check        
    style2737 Check        
    TRINI Check        
    SJspanky1 Bet   £2.00 £4.00 £58.02
    cpfc123 Fold        
    style2737 Fold        
    TRINI Call   £2.00 £6.00 £54.19
    Turn
       
    • A
         
    TRINI Check        
    SJspanky1 Bet   £6.00 £12.00 £52.02
    TRINI Call   £6.00 £18.00 £48.19
    River
       
    • 9
         
    TRINI Bet   £18.00 £36.00 £30.19
    SJspanky1 Call   £18.00 £54.00 £34.02
    TRINI Show
    • 6
    • A
    • 8
    • 6
         
    SJspanky1 Muck
    • 9
    • 2
    • Q
    • Q
         
    TRINI Win Straight to the 9 £53.10   £83.29
  • edited April 2012
    CalmDown Small blind   £0.25 £0.25 £236.24
    SJspanky1 Big blind   £0.50 £0.75 £51.55
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • 10
    • 3
    • J
         
    cpfc123 Call   £0.50 £1.25 £11.77
    dunni18 Raise   £1.00 £2.25 £28.47
    badbyrne1 Fold        
    CalmDown Call   £0.75 £3.00 £235.49
    SJspanky1 Call   £0.50 £3.50 £51.05
    cpfc123 Call   £0.50 £4.00 £11.27
    Flop
       
    • A
    • 9
    • 10
         
    CalmDown Check        
    SJspanky1 Bet   £2.50 £6.50 £48.55
    cpfc123 Call   £2.50 £9.00 £8.77
    dunni18 Fold        
    CalmDown Call   £2.50 £11.50 £232.99
    Turn
       
    • 6
         
    CalmDown Bet   £4.00 £15.50 £228.99
    SJspanky1 Call   £4.00 £19.50 £44.55
    cpfc123 All-in   £8.77 £28.27 £0.00
  • edited April 2012
    Hand 1 i think you should have got away from on the turn or if you call then def fold to the river bet

    Hand 2 cooler unlucky mate. you know aa kk or ak poss but very hard to get away from.

    Hand 3 is screaming straight but i would say it depends on what you think of your oppo and if he is capable of bluffing here.

    Hand 4 is looking like a straight again but i carnt see the full hand history
  • edited April 2012
    Just changed my thoughts on hand 1 now mate after just seeing your oppo do something really strange in a hand on one of my tables i now couldnt fold that to him and im guessing thats why you went with it.
  • edited April 2012

    one tip for you, on a downswing, playing bad or both, dont play omaha lol, i have done this soo much after going on tilt with holdem, and lost so much.

    You know when you are playing bad with prime example of hand 1(not saying you are overall), i think you can/should fold but inclined to call because its so annoying when someone min-raises on a board that he reps v little, when i start to pay off weaker players i tend to shut shop tbh, tilts me so much.

    Im playing bad at the mo, not necessary downswing but playing bad saying that i have lost a few flips recently but that's the way it is, i play same level as you but in $,  i have a problem folding at the moment lol with stupid hands like hand1, don't know what it is, must be the weather or summing lol. 

  • edited April 2012
    1. Turn you gotta fold imo, MR looks so valuey and unless you have reads he can do this with worse J's/Air/FD's then just fold, if you call then river call is fine as T changes little.

    2. I probz raise turn to help build pot as tough to get stacks in on river unless he also has monster also, but obvz outcome is cooler.
  • edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Are these variance or bad play?:
    one tip for you, on a downswing, playing bad or both, dont play omaha lol, i have done this soo much after going on tilt with holdem, and lost so much. You know when you are playing bad with prime example of hand 1(not saying you are overall), i think you can/should fold but inclined to call because its so annoying when someone min-raises on a board that he reps v little, when i start to pay off weaker players i tend to shut shop tbh, tilts me so much. Im playing bad at the mo, not necessary downswing but playing bad saying that i have lost a few flips recently but that's the way it is, i play same level as you but in $,  i have a problem folding at the moment lol with stupid hands like hand1, don't know what it is, must be the weather or summing lol. 
    Posted by WHOAMI196
    I'm hearing you WAI. PLO is the devils game, it always seems a gd idea to go chase some losses at it but its the most swingy game ever so worst possible choice.

    My current trend is to lose a couple of buy-ins w hnds like KKvAA, or setvflushdraw and then proceed to spew off paying out to all and sundry who hit their draws. Bankroll has been decimated, no way C4P can even begin to repair the damage. Think I'm gonna spend some hours at the micros and try to rebuild some confidence.

    Hope your game turns round too fella.
  • edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Are these variance or bad play?:
    Hand 1 i think you should have got away from on the turn or if you call then def fold to the river bet Hand 2 cooler unlucky mate. you know aa kk or ak poss but very hard to get away from. Hand 3 is screaming straight but i would say it depends on what you think of your oppo and if he is capable of bluffing here. Hand 4 is looking like a straight again but i carnt see the full hand history
    Posted by _ARAZI_
    My bad w cut/paste in hand 4..here it is....basically I know I'm behind but decide to draw to the nut flush or full house w my 13 outs....so tilted
    CalmDown Small blind   £0.25 £0.25 £236.24
    SJspanky1 Big blind   £0.50 £0.75 £51.55
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • 10
    • 3
    • J
         
    cpfc123 Call   £0.50 £1.25 £11.77
    dunni18 Raise   £1.00 £2.25 £28.47
    badbyrne1 Fold        
    CalmDown Call   £0.75 £3.00 £235.49
    SJspanky1 Call   £0.50 £3.50 £51.05
    cpfc123 Call   £0.50 £4.00 £11.27
    Flop
       
    • A
    • 9
    • 10
         
    CalmDown Check        
    SJspanky1 Bet   £2.50 £6.50 £48.55
    cpfc123 Call   £2.50 £9.00 £8.77
    dunni18 Fold        
    CalmDown Call   £2.50 £11.50 £232.99
    Turn
       
    • 6
         
    CalmDown Bet   £4.00 £15.50 £228.99
    SJspanky1 Call   £4.00 £19.50 £44.55
    cpfc123 All-in   £8.77 £28.27 £0.00
    CalmDown Raise   £37.81 £66.08 £191.18
    SJspanky1 Call   £37.81 £103.89 £6.74
    River
       
    • 9
         
    CalmDown Bet   £77.92 £181.81 £113.26
    SJspanky1 All-in   £6.74 £188.55 £0.00
    CalmDown Unmatched bet   £71.18 £117.37 £184.44
    CalmDown Show
    • 5
    • 7
    • 8
    • A
         
    SJspanky1 Show
    • A
    • 10
    • 3
    • J
         
    cpfc123 Show
    • 2
    • 8
    • 10
    • 10
         
    cpfc123 Win Full House, 10s and 9s £37.52   £37.52
    CalmDown Win Straight to the 10 £78.95   £263.39
  • edited April 2012
    hand 1 you can't fold this readless imo wp - open less on the btn
    hand 2 raise flop
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