advice

The_Don90

Hi guys,

i was at a live game last night, (as tournament directer i had to be there) however around 20 hands into the game during the deal a player at the other end of the tables card was shown as it went over a raised letter in the table (no one at fault). We where always told buy the company to re-deal, however one person said use it as a the first burn card.

I wanted to know everyones opinions on it as it my job to come to the best possible solution for the venue. Should i use it as the first burn, (knowing anyone who now has a 10 has knowledge of one less out) or re-deal the hand and play on.

Thanks guys,

Don




Also had a succsessful night last night may be a return to form, comming second of 22 in the main game, and won the side game (taking everyone but on person out) which had 7 players.

Tikay10

The Standard Rule here - such as any Rule in Poler is "Standard", but this one is almost universal - is that it becomes the first burn card. It is NOT a re-deal, except in certain exceptional & peculiar circumstances.

Casre should be taken to announce to the whole Table what has happened, make sure they SEE the Card, leave it face up until the deal is complete, then place it on top of the deck as the Burn.

Irrespective of the Result of the Poll you have put up, the solution I have Posted is the correct one.

The_Don90

Thanks Tikay. I will start implementing this as of next week. I wasnt sure if this was the correct way or not.

unknown_username

Definitely the Burn card .........!!!!Any LIVE game ive played in ..thats the ruling !!

HartshorN

I voted re-deal as it seems the more logical choice, but the choice that is likely to cause stir amongst the table.

Tikay10

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I voted re-deal as it seems the more logical choice, but the choice that is likely to cause stir amongst the table.
Posted by HartshorN

Yes, several also did the same, but he asked for the correct answer, & a Re-Deal is not the correct ansswer. The Voting will not alter that fact.

Dudeskin8

I would go with use it as a burn card.

KnackersYa

One of the very few poker questions with a 100% correct answer. Burn card, face up.

unknown_username

burn card

nirvana29

if uve got pocket 5s and u see a five my mistake and its put back in the deck, of course ur gonna play differently, theres loads of different aspects, its best just to redeal.

margatemaf

same thing happened when i was at casino last month and it was used as first burn card, which has been confirmed by Tikay

Urdadi

My gut says re-deal but you have to take the advice of Tikay.

35suited

I would have said re-deal as well, its nice to learn something new

zxghostxz

i vote re deal.. but as i dont play live poker i dont no the ruleing on this......

Kiwini4u

I voted for burn card but only after I read Tikays post lol

Tikay10

In Response to Re: advice:

if uve got pocket 5s and u see a five my mistake and its put back in the deck, of course ur gonna play differently, theres loads of different aspects, its best just to redeal.
Posted by nirvana29

It's not an option, anywhere, in any Regulated environment. It's a Standard, universal, Rule. Voting against it will never change that.

The 5-5 argument does not hold much water I'm afraid - it's as much as an advantage as a disadvantage, & over time, it affects all players equally.

Tikay10

In Response to Re: advice:

My gut says re-deal but you have to take the advice of Tikay.
Posted by Urdadi

Hi Urdadi,

Not to be pedantic - but it's not my "advice", I'm simply stating what the Rules are.

Tikay10

By the way, debates like this happen every single day in Live Poker, it's shambolic, the way Live Poker is orgnised. Which is one of many reasons we began APAT, to help standardise Rules.

But note this sort of ambiguity NEVER happens Online.

Grimstar30

In Response to Re: advice:

By the way, debates like this happen every single day in Live Poker, it's shambolic, the way Live Poker is orgnised. Which is one of many reasons we began APAT, to help standardise Rules. But note this sort of ambiguity NEVER happens Online.
Posted by Tikay10

Technical question TK. 

Is there a world governing body of poker that sets the rules? i.e. as there is for some most sports. If not, surely there should be!

booboo69

This happened at a pub game about 9 or 10 months ago and I told the table it was first burn card. Everyone disagreed and I got called every idiot under the sun by one bloke (not unusual) even when I told him I'd seen this done numerous times in casinos. Thanks for the clarification Tikay.
He bust out shortly after and I went on to get paid, albeit only post bubble, but it made me feel a little better.

Tikay10

In Response to Re: advice:

In Response to Re: advice : Technical question TK.  Is there a world governing body of poker that sets the rules? i.e. as there is for some most sports. If not, surely there should be!
Posted by Grimstar30

Unvbelievably, incredibly, unforgivably, no. Poker is HUGE, & yet we don't have consistent, universal, Rules. It's nothing short of a disgrace, & an embarrassment, to poker. Football, Rugby, Tennis, etc, are all rolling in money, & why? - because they have universal rules & a governing body, that's why.

Hence, as I said earlier, one of the founding aims of APAT was to work with the various bodies to resolve this. And we are coming along nicely, nice & quietly, under the radar.

It would be improper for me to promote APAT on this Forum, but I will say that it's entirely run by unpaid volunteers, who give their time for free, for the betterment of poker, especially the regular Players. (The Big Boys don't need help). So, my respect to all the APAT Team.

FlashFlush

What should happen is the 'flipped' card goes in the middle of the table as the burn like Tikay said.. the rest of the deal is carried on as usual (so the player who had their card flipped does not get the next card) I.E seat 3's card is flipped, next card goes to seat 4.. carry on until all other players have 2 cards and then the next card goes to the player who had the card flipped. At this point the dealer should check again that everyone knows what the flipped card is and is then put back on top of the deck and will be the burn.

SolarCarro

I play regularily at DTD and just as Tikay says, it is used as the first burn card, clearly stated in the rules on their site.

Dave

Tikay10

In Response to Re: advice:

I play regularily at DTD and just as Tikay says, it is used as the first burn card, clearly stated in the rules on their site. Dave
Posted by SolarCarro

And if DTD do it, you KNOW it's right. They is the schmizz.

scrumdown

burn  the  card

The_Don90

Thanks all.

Expessially to tikay who said its how live events are organized, as tournament director of the venue i feel ashamed lol. However ive only done that roll for two weeks and already improving the venue, Had its busiest turnout tuesday past. I will be implementing this as if next week.

Buistyboy

Hi guys

Just read this thread with interest.  my gut instinct was that it would be a redeal but as Tikay and others have stated, it should be the first burn card.

I was just wondering if there is any specific reasoning behind that policy.  Perhaps tikay would know why this procedure is preferred to doing a redeal?  What are the advantages of this over a re-deal? 

Ray