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Cash tables minimum buy in
Can sky increase the min buy in on cash tables to at least 30 bb instead of 20.
Starting to see multitabling shortstackers sitting there and pushing allin with hands like ak ak aa etc depending on situation....then leaving when they double up.
They have a significant advantage over rest of table playing deep.
Starting to see multitabling shortstackers sitting there and pushing allin with hands like ak ak aa etc depending on situation....then leaving when they double up.
They have a significant advantage over rest of table playing deep.
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Played her/him at 100nl & 50nl 2 weeks ago and now he's just buying in on every table for the minimum.
BUT, he was right up there on the leaderboard earlier, so presumably getting a load back in C4P.
Obviously they can play with however much they want to and shortstacking can be a profitable way of playing if you know what you're doing, however, it's most annoying not actually being able to play normal poker half the time with 20 bb'ers there lol.
As scotty says at least it's been upped to 20bb, as 10bb was just a joke, but it's still incredibly annoying. I wouldn't mind so much if there were just some MIN 30/40 bb buyin tables as well as the others - we already have Mastercash (200 bb) and Deep Stack (250 bb) so can't see there being a 30/40 bb min buyin table(s) being a problem.
Tables seesm to be messy imo, you have deep stackes with buy in of 200bb 50NL which is cool(is the minimum 50bb?) + then 250bb tables whats up with that, i have like a ocd thing with things being "squared" oragnised etc, so when they are not it's annoying lol.
Theres only two types of tables needed imo 20bb/100bb tables and 100bb-200bb tables, or Ante tables which are bad a-ss btw.
The minimum was raised from 10 to 20 Big Blinds not that long ago, short-stacking is a legitimate way of playing cash poker and if you don't like it, I'm sorry that's tough. If they're only shoving with premium hands, then surely it is easy enough to fold to those shoves and wait for a better spot yourself?
It's an interesting debate and. as usual, one with pros and cons.
Why not start a poll to see what people think?
Plus as some of you have spotted, not all tables have the same buy-in levels.
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Its not as simple as that. Its not possible to play effectively against a shortstack while at the same time playing effectively against a deepstack. Thats where the shortstack gains their edge and ruins the games at the same time.
Simple example, imagine loose bad player raises from utg with kt suited with 100bb stack.
Next guy calls with tj suited wanting to play against weak player in deep stack.
I call from button with 33 wanting to see a flop.
Shortstack guy now pushes allin with 99 from big blind.
Playing shortstack gives endless oportunities like this to steal dead money, because everyone else at the table is playing deepstack poker. Not only that but it ruins the game for everyone else at the table.
Its been a problem on other sites and they all end up increases the min buyin eventually.
Given the increase already and effective removal of 10BB option.
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Obviously range is much wider depending on situation. In many situation its going to be profitable to push with hands like qj and qt.
But Im not talking about anyone in particular.
A reminder of the existing table buy-in levels:
'Deep' Tables = 100 to 250 Big Blinds
'Mastercash' Tables = 50 to 200 Big Blinds
'Standard' Tables = 20 to 100 Big Blinds
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Edit: so Deep tables 50/100bb-200bb
Action/Ante tables 100bb-200bb/250bb + Ante
Standard tables 20bb-100bb
Anyone disagree/agree
I think the best mix would be to change the standard tables to 40 to 100 Big blinds.
Then create a new table 10 - 20 bb so anyone who wants to play short can, but just not against deep stacks.
I'm sorry to point this out but the thread basically says this:
"I'm playing against people that make it hard for me to win money. I haven't developed a winning strategy for dealing with them so I want Sky Poker to deal with these people for me"
"I can't set mine with my 33 against people with 16BB!" - That's right, you can't. So deal with it. Do something different. The game is here for everybody and they are as entitled to play a 20BB buy-in as you are to play a 100BB buy-in.
Short stackers have no particular advantage. If they're beating you and taking your money it's because they're playing better than you. If you don't want these people at your table, get up and go to a different one.
The hand wasnt complaining that I cant set mine, it was demonstrating that its impossible to play correct against both short stacks and deep stacks at the same time. If everyone was short I would just fold my 33. I made correct play by calling against deep stack, but incorrect play on a shortstack table. If i was to fold I would be playing correct against shortstacks but incorrect against deep.
This is where the advantage is gained by playing short on a deepstack table. Other players will be playing a much wider range preflop.
Hasnt become a problem yet as most shortstackers are poor players, but Ive seen it become a big problem on other sites and maybe other regulars could change their tune then.
Ive been seeing players doing this lately. Leaving as soon as they go over 30 bb.
You can't complain about the way other players are playing, just because it ruins your strategy for exploiting other players at the table. They have adopted a strategy to exploit you which is good play on their part. They don't have an advantage over deeper players, they have advantages over players that don't know how to play against them.
But I think it would be good to follow Pokerstars tables, 40-100bb standard and 20-50bb tables for shorstacks. I dont think people should not be allowed buy in short if they want but only that they should have their own tables, so they dont gain an advantage on deepstacks. But maybe Sky doesnt have enough players for that yet.
For now I might give some shortstacking a go later:).....see how I do.
I think it's pretty clear they no not have any edge at all, as none of the big names on Sky or in the poker world shortstack.
I think it would be fair to say 90 percent of shortstackers are recreational and/or weekend players, who play for abit of fun. The other 10 percent, basically havn't grasped the concept of playing 100bb yet, and are shortstacking because they see this as a simple way of building their bankroll for the time being, against players who can't play against shortstackers, for whatever reason. Fair play to them.
granted not a big edge after rake, but including RB as they can play tonnes of tables because 20bb poker is incredibly simple compared to 100bb poker they can make decent money at it.
i believe one guy on another site got over 3mil vpp's in a year (there highest reward tier is for people to get />1mm) which is prob worth like $250k+
Not saying you a bad player, just saying that maybe you just need to understand what they are doing and play accordingly
I play deep and sometimes I play short stack, just depends on cash level -
It's an intresting debate............
What I will say is 20bb is just MTT poker, not even cash poker "_) sure is fun though
think 40bb is better, 20bb is just seriously odd