JJ in $1200 mini BH 12 players left. Call or fold?

KAM99

Was mulling this hand over and wanted to see what others do in same spot. Villian is chip leader at time of the hand, and about 4 hands previously he had shoved over my open raise with AQ and I'd folded it. He then said he had KK after I folded. So when I open with JJ and he shoves over I'm not feeling great about them, but my stack is now at 20bb with the blinds due to raise to next level in about one minutes time. So call or fold?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
SiHarvey	Small blind		200.00	200.00	17170.00
angel091	Big blind		400.00	600.00	4180.00
	Your hole cards	J J
Roydo	Fold
KAM99	Raise		850.00	1450.00	7810.00
nosgoth05	Fold
SiHarvey	All-in		17170.00	18620.00	0.00

IDONKCALLU

call

Woldulp

If it’s me I’m making a stand so call – not in love with situation though!

EvilPingu

I don't care how tight the opponent is, if you're not getting 20bb in with JJ, then you're making a mistake IMO. Snap call it off.

IDONKCALLU

u cant raise fold jack jack 20 bigs simples with the this mi raise preflop i thought u was intiscing a all in after your bet and for some reason doubted yaself its a call all the time here 

unknown_username

Hi Kam

read "Jacks the lads or just plain messi?' in brags, beats a nd variance section. You'll see why I'm not sure that i'm the one to answer this question after my recent experience with Jacks.Ha Ha

PS For what it's worth you have  m=13 though effective m is lower. I'd say call but i think it may be a flip with 54:46 in your favour ie AKo etc. Your min raise+ doesn't look too strong does it. Mind, you should ask yourself why doesn't he just triple your raise? Did you notice how he was playing before this? Had he just had a cooler and may be tilted etc? That sort of thing...
PS i've not been doing so well recently in MTT's so its only an opinion. I don't think call or fold is outlandishly wrong myself. What happened, by the way?

KAM99

Yeah, happy enough with that feed back. I decided it would be just stupid to fold 20bb at this stage with blinds about to rise even though I wasn't happy I was going to like what I saw. I called and he showed KK and they held up. He had shown signs earlier to get it in with lesser holdings like KQ, so there was for sure a chance I would have been racing while ahead, but as it was I was in a deep hole that got filled in.

And yes Idonk I was min raising partly for action, but had been varying my raises from 2-3bb since 200BB level. So yeah, i was looking for action, just didn't like somewhat how fast he shoved his stack in. There was like zero thought before he shoved, and thats rarely good sign.

rancid

snap

Dudeskin8

You can't raise fold JJ with 22bbs! lol   

grantorino

you would need a very strong read to fold here. I'd prob call off the AQ too fwiw

KAM99

In Response to Re: JJ in $1200 mini BH 12 players left. Call or fold?:

You can't raise fold JJ with 22bbs! lol   
Posted by Dudeskin8

Ah its good you can laugh at peoples questions. I'm rusty with my MTT play as not played one in a year, so just wanted to check my call was correct for the BB level... but hey if you want to act superior in a forum thats there for questions good for you... don't worry I'm glad you are so good that the questions are beneath you.

Dudeskin8

To be honest I presumed you were a pretty decent player from previous posts you made in other threads about cash etc, didn't realise you hadn't played MTT's for a while, will try to be more observent next time.

KAM99

In Response to Re: JJ in $1200 mini BH 12 players left. Call or fold?:

To be honest I presumed you were a pretty decent player from previous posts you made in other threads about cash etc, didn't realise you hadn't played MTT's for a while, will try to be more observent next time.
Posted by Dudeskin8

Yeah, it was partly down to fact I  hadn't played an MTT in a long while, and not something I overly do anyway because I have very long run of bad luck with flips, so my MTT's tend to blow in later stages when you got to get some luck. But was also down to fact I'd seen him make the play so recently with KK, and just had a feeling I was up against a similar hand, and at very best flipping against AK. Didn't see him making it with much worse. Had seen him make a call with KQ early in the game against a short stack shove, but otherwise it was a pretty super strong hand. So I did spend a while afterwards thinking "could I have laid that down?" due to my read I thuoght I was beat before i called. Felt like a crying river call before I even hit the call button. To be honest I was border line shoving it preflop, but though at 22bb i wanted a little action or a shove offf someone else, bt preferable not the biggest stack.

Dudeskin8

Didn't you say he 'told you he had KK' ? 

People usually try to make you feel good about your play (folding) so you keep doing it when they have bad hands, therefore never trust until you have cold evidence, hand histories .