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KK issues. What is it with KK on-line. Never wins
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
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| bigscot | Small blind | 50.00 | 50.00 | 5350.00 | |
| nug82 | Big blind | 100.00 | 150.00 | 3505.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| Hauffish | Fold | ||||
| clyde1313 | Fold | ||||
| zxghostxz | Fold | ||||
| steph1977 | All-in | 965.00 | 1115.00 | 0.00 | |
| bigscot | Call | 915.00 | 2030.00 | 4435.00 | |
| nug82 | All-in | 3505.00 | 5535.00 | 0.00 | |
| bigscot | Call | 2640.00 | 8175.00 | 1795.00 | |
| bigscot | Show |
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| nug82 | Show |
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| steph1977 | Show |
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| River | |||||
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| bigscot | Win | Two Pairs, 9s and 8s | 8175.00 | 9970.00 | |
Comments
Kam99 is right heads up you'll win 80% of the time, 3 way you'll win 66% of the time (in a perfect world) with 'bingo' players it more like 50/50 with every hand
#bitter haha
Nice to know that people agree this was a sick exit hand.
V6 thank you for that information, I will note that going forward.
...oh hang on, that does happen!
I believe in the VLV for March, someone who got a seat was down to a very short stack and managed to beat the Sky system of 'bigger stacks always winning all-ins'
I made my only 2 bluff shoves it 2 games yesterday and both times bb had kk....both won
On big stacks vs small. Actually wouldn't surprise me if the big stacks win a larger percentage of the all ins. Why? Well often because short stacks will be shoving with quite wide range, and often the person that makes a call has the stronger hand. Also, someone said above about needing samples of millions.. well you don't really need that many, but you'd certainly need sample size in the region of 100,000 to be getting variance down to some where in the 1% margin area, and in some cases more hands. Not something easy to do on sky as is currently of course.
The main point is that you as a human CANNOT possibly see and remember the data to see true patterns. You'll see patterns in short sample sizes and trick your brain, which is the curse of most novices at the game, and what leads to most of the "its rigged" type talks/thread etc.
As for how I know. Yes I may play here, but I also play other places, and on other sites I can use pokertracker (go google it), which means I can keep a database of ALL the hands i've every played and look at if they are matching up with the the statistics they should do over a large volume. I can see if I'm dealt hands as often as I should, if they won as often as expected. What the flops were, and if flush draws were making it as often as they should or more so.. How often my PP's are making sets... and so on. Basically I can check anything I want.
So my point is my comments are based on 5-6 years of online play and a whole history of hands. So thats my reasoning being my posts, and from what I can see your basing assumptions on a few hands you remember, right? And no offense by we just can't remember enough for that to work. Only hands poker players remember long term is generally the badbeats.
*more than half of these were where i've folded pre with pairs after a big raise/other random things such as K7 off and flopped KKK.
Also, in lot of cases with short stack vs big stack the races can be close ones, or not that big of a difference in equity. IE you may have AJ+ vs 55 or similar for around 50-50 flip. Or KQ vs 89 for 60-40 race, or even in a dominated situation of AKos vs A5os you are only looking at 70-30 race, which means you are going to see the favourite win or lose often enough. I know the lowest I've come back from to win a fairly small field MTT (280 players) was 65 chips where i won five shoves in a row to get back to a chip stack i could play with.
We often do remember patterns that aren't there when remembering over short volumes of hands, which is all the human brain in a normal person is able to do. We may think we see patterns, but we aren't seeing enough hands to make a real basis for this as actual fact. However, if you aren't satisfied with the RNG here, then can always play elsewhere, but think every poker site I've played on has had a forum full of "its rigged" posts.
Let me know Sky - I'm happy to be that massive underdog.