MTT - AQ 3bet OOP and miss.....

Dudeskin8

New player to me no reads.

I 3bet pre with view of getting it in but he obvz just flats IP

Do I have to just give up here or any sort of bet I can make to then fold, maybe just shove?

Also on a side note is flatting OOP here an option this deep?

It's £2.30 BH.

Dudeskin8	Small blind		20.00	20.00	1665.00
Feature	Big blind		40.00	60.00	1527.50
	Your hole cards	Q A
skyguy	Fold
tel1555	Fold
Granty64	Raise		120.00	180.00	2570.00
skelton01	Fold
Dudeskin8	Raise		340.00	520.00	1325.00
Feature	Fold
Granty64	Call		240.00	760.00	2330.00
Flop
		8 3 J
Dudeskin8

grantorino

yes you can flat pre

420/fold

Glenelg

Interesting hand! “I 3bet pre with view of getting it in but he obvz just flats IP” If you were prepared to do this why not just shove pre? As GT has said you CAN flat pre… BUT as played you’ve gained some valuable info? This early as played, I c/f (I don’t like it but….)

rancid

prefer flat pre oop

KAM99

Think this early I'd maybe just flat as well preflop, as being OOP I really don't want a bloated pot and a missed board at this early a stage. Also any Cbet with your stack is going to leave you with a fairly short stack. Think either you try that route, or if you were prepared to get it in preflop shove and hope he missed, or C/F. Think some of that might depend on villian but as you have no reads its difficult spot. You'd think if he had hands like AJ, KJ etc he would fold to 3bet as likely dominated by hands you holding. Also, if he had JJ or above maybe he shoves or 4bets preflop. If he is that wise then a shove be hard to call, but depending on the stakes and how early it is he may not be and could have called with anything. 

Been known to use all those options, so guess for me depends how i feel at the time. Think I'm most likely to shove or C/F though at this point. 

Dudeskin8

On the flatting pre could someone give all the pro's and con's of both plays as I always wonder which is the best line to take especially when stacks start getting toward that dodgy area and often feel I could be making mistakes, for example AK 3betting here would be total standard but hands like AQ/AJ/KQ/KJ even TT/JJ always get annoying post when you miss/see overs....

barnsie

i flat pre here due to the stacksizes

DOHHHHHHH

You can shove pre.....

That's what I'd do. Bet now, he should fold loads on this board. 

YOUNG_GUN

Erm tricky one, prob with stacks oop flat is better just tho. could shove but not loving that

as played i prob bet 350-400 fold, sux but tricky spot, aggressive route would be to shove but again i dont think its very good and a bit too much risk/reward