Aces OOP in 3b pot flop desision

The_Don90

Seems like a strange one, but considering you have 160+ BBs if you fold, it's very early early stages of an MTT, I think you should fold to the flop raise. His bet has blatantly made it obvious you're playing for stacks here and you 1pr. I don't like getting in 160BB with 1pr on a relatively suited connecty board. Yes he could be drawing with you as a favourite but you already have a very decent stack and have no need to risk it.

The_Don90

OK reads on villian here, he played almost every other hand always calling. This pot is isolated as the only one hes actually raised. Obviously preflop this doesnt bother me.

However on the flop he suddenly 1.5x pot which im not sure about. V this kind of villian is stacking bad ?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Dagnamit	Small blind		15.00	15.00	5470.00
The_Don90	Big blind		30.00	45.00	6170.00
	Your hole cards	A A
67Bhoys	Fold
villian	Raise		120.00	165.00	6290.00
DARNIK2005	Fold
lol_i_call	Call		120.00	285.00	5345.00
Dagnamit	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		360.00	645.00	5810.00
villian	Call		270.00	915.00	6020.00
lol_i_call	Call		270.00	1185.00	5075.00
Flop
		6 10 K
The_Don90	Bet		870.00	2055.00	4940.00
villian	Raise		3795.00	5850.00	2225.00
lol_i_call	Fold
The_Don90	?????

rancid

get em in

BorinLoner

I agree with Rancid that you should get it in. I'm assuming this is an MTT, in which case it's spots like this that will build your stack to give you a shot at the win. Folding to a single raise is way too tight. Yes the board is connecting but there are only draws, not made flush or made straights, out there. We can't put our opponent on KK as it's unlikely they'd have only called our pre-flop 3-bet, so we're only afraid of TT, 66 or KT. These hands are conceivable, but only a small portion of the opponent's range which will also include KQ, KJ, and QJ as well as lower suited connectors.

Alot of the time I think we'll see a King or something like a QJ of spades.

The_Don90

In Response to Re: Aces OOP in 3b pot flop desision:

I agree with Rancid that you should get it in. I'm assuming this is an MTT, in which case it's spots like this that will build your stack to give you a shot at the win. Folding to a single raise is way too tight. Yes the board is connecting but there are only draws, not made flush or made straights, out there. We can't put our opponent on KK as it's unlikely they'd have only called our pre-flop 3-bet, so we're only afraid of TT, 66 or KT. These hands are conceivable, but only a small portion of the opponent's range which will also include KQ, KJ, and QJ as well as lower suited connectors. Alot of the time I think we'll see a King or something like a QJ of spades.
Posted by BorinLoner

hes never raised so surley KK has to be considered as part of that range.

IDONKCALLU

easy ship opponent could have flush draw a k easily here all in a hope ya bullets hold 

BorinLoner

In Response to Re: Aces OOP in 3b pot flop desision:

In Response to Re: Aces OOP in 3b pot flop desision : hes never raised so surley KK has to be considered as part of that range.
Posted by The_Don90

It would be atypical for a player to raise with KK, be called and then only call a cold 3-bet. He'd assume that he's going to see a flop three-handed. It's unlikely that you'll see an opponent play KK this way. That doesn't mean that he doesn't play it this way but when we're putting him on a range we have to say what is likely and what is not.

It's unlikely that he'd play 72 this way but I'm sure there are people who would. Does that mean that we should include 72 in his perceived range? Of course not. Admittedly KK is more likely than 72 here but it's still quite unlikely. We can't guarantee what his range is but there are hands that are more likely than others.

rancid

you still have backdoor spades anyway - ) if oppo has the set

pod1

got ak written all over it

EvilPingu

Dudeskin8

If he had like clicked it back I'd be more suspisious but that bizarre over raise doesn't look as strong to me and as it's a 3bet pot I'd be happy getting it in here.

GELDY

It does look like he is trying to protect something, which can't be the nfd as you have the As 

Most likely AK or QXs, although he could be protecting a set from the flush
you say he is loose, so maybe he raised because this time he has 66 or, more likely, TT which for him is at the higher end of his range.

looks like early days in a deepstack, so probably not enough recent history for him to be trying to exploit your image unless you have previous history. If he is a DS reg maybe he finds this scares off most DS players who are looking for a longer grind.

guess it all depends on whether you'd prefer the easy option of folding and looking for an easier spot, or playing the percentages which I think means shove.

grantorino

3bet bigger pre

get it in now, you should be good often enough I think. He prob doesnt raise 66 or the 2 pair combos pre, he can have AK , KQ lots and will sometimes be "protecting" JJ,QQ 

Batkin88

Looks very much like AK or QJ spades or someting around that area of spades. I would say from your reads your ahead majority of the time so get em in. (Folding isn't bad)