£10 DYM biggie draw - how we play this one

rancid

call or shove
readless on oppo - its just a badger called ted

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
jason7	Small blind		100.00	100.00	3972.50
rancid	Big blind		200.00	300.00	1975.00
	Your hole cards	9 10
ted_badger	Call		200.00	500.00	2025.00
JingleMa	Fold
chips196	Fold
jason7	Fold
rancid	Check
Flop
		8 7 K
rancid	Check
ted_badger	Bet		200.00	700.00	1825.00
rancid

GREGHOGG

i would donk out tbh

and be happy to get it in

as played c/r and get it in

bearlyther

Open shoving here is fine as its a dym format we have 10 big blinds open ended with a flush draw if we lead for 200 and get called and the 2 of diamonds comes off what we going to do then get your money in.

KAM99

Yeah got to all go in here. Even if he has the king you are ahead, and his weak bet on flop could just be a weak attempt to take it, or maybe even to entice you to shove. Either way I'm happy getting it all in here, as still plenty left in, and not that comfortable a chip stack to sit back and hope others go out or I get better hands. Least thats my thoughts, but DYM not a game I play loads of.

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to £10 DYM biggie draw - how we play this one:

call or shove readless on oppo - its just a badger called ted 
Posted by rancid

Not sure how much fold equity you have against this particular badger!

I don't know if that means you should play differently in this spot or not.....?

Dudeskin8

It's probz good getting it in but if he has ANY King I doubt he folds much (limp calling pre UTG with 11bbs, he ain't doing that to fold top pair lol) and in that scenario you're a fave but at best like 56% which ain't super great when you need to win 55% to break even. 

For me it really depends on reads that they often limp and minbet flop ALL the time with ALL hands which means more chance he has no hand.

rancid

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In Response to £10 DYM biggie draw - how we play this one : Not sure how much fold equity you have against this particular badger! I don't know if that means you should play differently in this spot or not.....?
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Do badgers ever fold />?

limp UTG gotta be very bad or very good badger - is it a weak badger who limps UTG or a very strong badger -
so i check it over thinking very bad badger will min bet and very strong badger will bet also  ) so I shove it in badgers eye, badger licks his privates and calls and shows KJ - meh - silly weak badger

I miss everything :S

I read some people say lead, but surely this doesn't let weak badger bet and give us easy chipage
Also happy getting it in versus AA/KK -

but like Dudeskin states above is our small percentage edge enough in a DYM, this I am doubtful
Can't see how we fold though,  me thinks we got lots of FE in this spot versus all weak animals and not just badgers

EvilPingu

I probably jam, expecting to take the pot down most of the time. I'm not "happy" being called but it's not a disaster either. This is always a tough one in DYMs for the reasons Dudeskin mentioned.

DOHHHHHHH

Can you open jam the flop?

Think if he never folds, then getting it in is a mistake?  As he sometimes has better draws than us/sets/pair&draw combos.....(KThh/KJhh/KQhh etc)

Open jam or c/f against this guy imo, just not confident he will fold enough/ever. 

Dudeskin8

Also you still have 2000 left if you fold and from experiance that was always a very stable stack size and certainly not in panic mode, if we had like 1000 I'd be much more inclined to possibly 'gamble' at this stage as my equity for DYM as a whole would be pretty low. 

rancid

In Response to Re: £10 DYM biggie draw - how we play this one:

Can you open jam the flop? Think if he never folds, then getting it in is a mistake?  As he sometimes has better draws than us/sets/pair&draw combos.....(KThh/KJhh/KQhh etc) Open jam or c/f against this guy imo, just not confident he will fold enough/ever. 
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Really, you don't think limp w/10bigs in a DYM will ever fold

The problem I have is when oppo min bets, how often has oppo got to have hit the flop
To limp then bet when checked to on the flop would suggest oppo has hit, surely this passive it's either big hand or hit/miss flop -

Mayb I can c/f here as oppo will imo miss and bet less often than holding a hand pre or hitting flop and betting

Think it's a c/f, oppo is folding <15%~

grantorino

c/f flop cant be that bad in a dym

Id be tempted if you want to play high variance to jam it in pre, think you would get more folds than if you crai this flop and you will still be like only 50% on this board. I assume everyone hates that though and its prob bad in a dym

DOHHHHHHH

My gut feel is based on history with the player (altho that is when playing HU).

What about c/c 1 and c/f turn if you miss?

Hard analysing it from your readless P.O.V when I have my own feel for the villain....

Spose c/c readless is bad, as you don't expect to get value if you get there, so I dunno.

Still open jam or c/f imo. 

SHANXTA

c/c the min bet

don't like open shoving but i don't think it's that bad

rancid

In Response to Re: £10 DYM biggie draw - how we play this one:

c/c the min bet don't like open shoving but i don't think it's that bad
Posted by SHANXTA

really Shanxta, 10 bigs c/c flop - thought about that and just didn't like it in a DYM with 10 bigs :S

SHANXTA

In Response to Re: £10 DYM biggie draw - how we play this one:

In Response to Re: £10 DYM biggie draw - how we play this one : really Shanxta, 10 bigs c/c flop - thought about that and just didn't like it in a DYM with 10 bigs :S
Posted by rancid

10 bb's aint that short in a dym

SHANXTA

In Response to Re: £10 DYM biggie draw - how we play this one:

My gut feel is based on history with the player (altho that is when playing HU). What about c/c 1 and c/f turn if you miss? Hard analysing it from your readless P.O.V when I have my own feel for the villain.... Spose c/c readless is bad, as you don't expect to get value if you get there, so I dunno. Still open jam or c/f imo. 
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

any1 thats bad enough to limp utg with 11bbs and then makes a pair, or still has a pair, don't normally fold

rancid

True Shanxta 10 bigs ain't that shallow in a DYM, do agree with oppo never folding if limp/hitting TP
c/c would be ok i guess, considering we avoid the higher variance lines of open shoving or c/r and we get paid if we hit 100%


@GT - yeah shoving pre was a considertaion but I had no idea what oppo limps, do now though )


so c/c or c/f


leaning towards c/c now )
See this is why playing DYM's is so peverse )

bandini

Moral of the story : Don't #### with badgers.

IDONKCALLU

i would donk led 400 and if u get caled try get showdown chep if u misss on turn but if u get shoved with 400 donk lead snap call

SHANXTA

bandini made me lol

idcu your post makes no sense to me

IDONKCALLU

i talk 2022 poker thats y innit u wouldnt get it

AMYBR

Only read OP.

I lead flop given limpage with view to get it in.

We start hand with 10bigs, flop OESFD?  happy days.