AK Facing 4 bet shove.................

donkeyplop

Ok so I 3 bet my ak suited then get shoved on.

Villain hadn't been that out of line from what I can remember.

Is this a call or fold????

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Dawson001	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£17.56
donkeyplop	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£19.50
	Your hole cards	K A
xxx	Raise		£0.60	£0.90	£19.78
Sngwizkid	Fold
ali943	Fold
vee123	Call		£0.60	£1.50	£32.40
Dawson001	Call		£0.50	£2.00	£17.06
donkeyplop	Raise		£2.00	£4.00	£17.50
xxx	All-in		£19.78	£23.78	£0.00
vee123	Fold
Dawson001	Fold
donkeyplop	???

EvilPingu

With an opening raise AND 2 calls, I would probably 3bet a bit bigger, about £3.

However, if you're going to fold AK to a 4bet, don't 3bet in the first place.

donkeyplop

In Response to Re: AK Facing 4 bet shove.................:

With an opening raise AND 2 calls, I would probably 3bet a bit bigger, about £3. However, if you're going to fold AK to a 4bet, don't 3bet in the first place.
Posted by EvilPingu

It was a pretty meaty 4 bet though dont you think?

KAM99

Kind of see evilpingu's point, but also see yours. Agree I'd 3bet a bit more pre with the calls so they have less odds to come along, but I may consider folding AK at this level to a shove. I think in most cases you're flipping at best from behind, as unless I've seen them shove light with weaker hands I can't see this being AQ or below very often, and more likely its JJ+ as a minimum.

Still that maybe just me as I find AK a sucky hand for me at times and so a little gunshy about getting it all in preflop in cash games. Tournaments I do, but less so in cash games even if I should. Just prefer to play more than gamble in cash games.

donkeyplop

I called by the way as I dind't think he would play aa or kk this way. Opinions?

potattoooo

my opinion is your call is correct

JockBMW

In Response to Re: AK Facing 4 bet shove.................:

I called by the way as I dind't think he would play aa or kk this way. Opinions?
Posted by donkeyplop

At the very least I would be putting him on a Pocket Pair, which means you are flipping.  I agree I dont think he would play AA or KK that way.

It comes down to the question of do you want to risk another £18 on a flip.  That is a question only you can answer.

What did he have buy the way?

donkeyplop

In Response to Re: AK Facing 4 bet shove.................:

In Response to Re: AK Facing 4 bet shove................. : At the very least I would be putting him on a Pocket Pair, which means you are flipping.  I agree I dont think he would play AA or KK that way. It comes down to the question of do you want to risk another £18 on a flip.  That is a question only you can answer. What did he have buy the way?
Posted by JockBMW

Yeah I guessed I would be flipping vs something like 10s jacks or queens.

Was tilting a bit at time hense the call. Not sure if it's a profitable one long term or not?

I wiill post hand at some point.....................

LadyFingrs

In Response to Re: AK Facing 4 bet shove.................:

With an opening raise AND 2 calls, I would probably 3bet a bit bigger, about £3. However, if you're going to fold AK to a 4bet, don't 3bet in the first place.
Posted by EvilPingu

This is only true if you think they 4bet more than they flat.

LadyFingrs

I call btw