An people say MTTS are not all about luck

smith08619

I lose to a two outer on the bubble of the mini.

Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
mcmighty	Big blind		1200.00	1200.00	19682.50
	Your hole cards	A Q
FROSTYJACK	Fold
smith08619	Raise		3600.00	4800.00	13110.00
pompeyskip	Call		3600.00	8400.00	17680.50
jamiep007	Fold
mcmighty	Fold
Flop
		6 3 Q
smith08619	Bet		3600.00	12000.00	9510.00
pompeyskip	All-in		17680.50	29680.50	0.00
smith08619	All-in		9510.00	39190.50	0.00
pompeyskip	Unmatched bet		4570.50	34620.00	4570.50
smith08619	Show	A Q
pompeyskip	Show	4 4
Turn
		4
River
		8
pompeyskip	Win	Three 4s	34620.00

smith08619

An another one a couple of hours before, another MTT.

heft	Small blind		300.00	300.00	7438.78
smith08619	Big blind		600.00	900.00	11825.00
	Your hole cards	10 10
marco2505	Raise		3000.00	3900.00	5861.89
RogueCell	Fold
paradox	Fold
heft	Fold
smith08619	Call		2400.00	6300.00	9425.00
Flop
		9 8 4
smith08619	All-in		9425.00	15725.00	0.00
marco2505	All-in		5861.89	21586.89	0.00
smith08619	Unmatched bet		3563.11	18023.78	3563.11
smith08619	Show	10 10
marco2505	Show	5 5
Turn
		A
River
		5
marco2505	Win	Three 5s	18023.78

Dazler

yea had this happen a lot to m8 it sucks especialy in an mtt but all you can do is get it in good and prey. overal you will end up winning more than they do.

ClintonH83

This is exactly how i go out of every tournament i play online! Its sick!!!!

AMYBR

Going to lol as I just put a similar comment on another thread, but its true so i'll put it.

Had a 3 day session during extended downswing where this happened 9 times in 2 days, 4 of which happened within a 30min window while multitabling.

Lead to me taking a long break from online.  It is what is, a mental challenge.  Amusingly watched it happen twice in an hour in a live session last week with flopped boats getting turned over by river boats vs OP's.  (Again described in BBV).

But tbh MTT's ARE about luck to a high degree, by definition high variance game.

Grim tho.

jonjo75

If you really believe that mtts are ALL about luck then please explain how one player can in the space of 10 days do this: 
1st Primo
1st 6k open
1st 4k BH
2nd Primo
2nd 4k BH
 Are they just incredibly lucky?

AMYBR

Me or OP'ster?

Response would be:  MTT's are by defintion high variance, ergo we have to run well aswell as play well.  I dont really see how that could ever be up for debate??

Individuals can run well/bad for extended periods of time.  In any sample size there will be statistical abnormalities, impossible for there not to be.  If you think a person can get those results in such a short time frame w/out running well........ well that would be funny.

But I never said All about luck, nor would I.

I think OP'ster demonstrates it quite well going to river as 96% fav in each hand

jonjo75

In Response to Re: An people say MTTS are not all about luck:

Me or OP'ster? Response would be:  MTT's are by defintion high variance, ergo we have to run well aswell as play well.  I dont really see how that could ever be up for debate?? Individuals can run well/bad for extended periods of time.  In any sample size there will be statistical abnormalities, impossible for there not to be.  If you think a person can get those results in such a short time frame w/out running well........ well that would be funny.
Posted by AMYBR

The OPs heading ,"An people say MTTS are not all about luck "is what i am disagreeing with.
Of course as we all know you need  bit of luck to hold your +50% but the skill will get you in the right situation to win, so Mtts are not ALL about luck so i am one of those people saying that.

AMYBR

Fair enough

Think guy is entitled to a little rant given hands tho tbh.

At least is in bbv rather than A51.

jonjo75

In Response to Re: An people say MTTS are not all about luck:

Fair enough Think guy is entitled to a little rant given hands tho tbh. At least is in bbv rather than A51.
Posted by AMYBR

Agreed

smith08619

Thanks for the reply's guys. I was in a very bad mood yesterday because hands like these have been happening to me alot lately.

I agree that MTT's are not 100% luck and you need a large degree of skill to be able to consitantly cash in them.
BUT no matter how good you are if you run bad you lose.

igimc

In Response to Re: An people say MTTS are not all about luck:

If you really believe that mtts are ALL about luck then please explain how one player can in the space of 10 days do this:  1st Primo 1st 6k open 1st 4k BH 2nd Primo 2nd 4k BH  Are they just incredibly lucky?
Posted by jonjo75

Think they have been incredibly incredibly incredibly super lucky.

Don't know who you're talking about(don't care) i'm sure

they're a good player(prob very good) but how much luck

has been carried,how many flips won in this run.

Agree its not ALL about luck but it plays a HUGE part in MTTs,

esp tournys with 400-500 runners.

Dazler

Luck and skill have to run in tandem you CAN NOT have one with out the other to win mtts its a ying and yang thing. Although saying that some do win on the odd ocassion purely on luck lol.