I've been playing alot of chess recently, and one of the obvious differences is that there is zero luck factor in chess, and unlike poker, the player with the significant edge will never lose against the weaker player. Slightly off topic, but chess has helped me realise the importance of having to think not only 1 or 2 moves ahead, but 3 or 4, or more.
In chess it is a massive mistake to have commited a key piece (say a rook/castle) to being taken without having realised a few moves earlier that this would happen and having worked out a plan to combat this problem. Likewise in cash, without stating the obvious, it a big mistake to find yourself pot commited/needing to shove without having seen this coming long before it happened.
For this reason, I think you need to be considering ALL of your bet/raise sizes very carefully. Clearly raising larger pre, will then mean any 3bets to you/4bets you make will be much larger, and if you're flat called pre, any c-bets will need to be larger. In a sense, I think if you're 100BB deep, then you need to have decided as soon as the flop comes out, whether you're willing to go all the way (whether it be on a bluff, or draw, or TP). Once you've made this decision, that will dictate what route you take, whether it be, check/call, check/raise, bet/call, bet/fold.
I know you probably won't be able to read all this out, so in summary, you need to have your full plan for the hand decided as soon as possible, so you know (for example) whether you're playing your draw very aggro and willing to jam missed draws or playing a lower variance method.
Sorry if I went on a bit, but I really want the Blackpool semi seat :P lol.
Ask the Expert. Did I play this hand right post flop?
Hand Id 518166024 from Friday's Rebuy Open. My plan pre-flop when I called the raise (he had been raising too often after losing most of his chips) was to check raise any good flops, check call any reasonable flops, and check fold any clearly bad flops. I check raised and he went all in and I really didnt expect much of a hand from him. I thought my bet size was to extract value, he thought I was bluffing. Was it good or bad play from me?
cheers paul now i got that stuck in my head and listening to it will result in me listening to maria over and over again. sigghhhhhhhhh put on tilt by reading the show thread
And through it all in, he offers me protection, A lot of advice and affection, Whether I'm right or wrong. And down the river, Wherever it may take me, I know that life won't bluff me, When I come to call, The Card Gods won't forsake me, I'm loving Redmond instead.
And through it all in , he offers me protection, A lot of advice and affection, Whether I'm right or wrong. And down the river , Wherever it may take me, I know that life won't bluff me, When I come to call, The Card Gods won't forsake me, I'm loving Redmond instead. Posted by Llamas
I see what you did there.. you changed the words of the famous Shirehorses song ;-)
In Response to Re: Tonight's live show on 865 with Rich and Redmond! ***official show thread*** : I see what you did there.. you changed the words of the famous Shirehorses song ;-) Posted by NoseyBonk
Aint heard them in years.
'Remember that tank top I bought you.... yeah you wrote you're gormless on it'
Can i just state, i was telling Mel aka (lol_i_call) to listen to redmond about poker, she looks at screen says oh its james hartigan, sigh rich i think you got a compliment
I have a question for Redmond on tonight's topic “Shoving in Cash Games”
I play live cash games in local casinos NL50 and occasionally NL100 and normally hold my own.
On the occasions I shove with premium hands I would say I have a success rate of about 90% getting my hands through.
But my shoves are called probably less than 10% of the time.
As I have a limited bankroll my visits to Casinos are few and far between.
Online I play 2p/4p and 5p/10p because I haven't got the BR to sustain losses at higher levels.
But I find the advise given by analysts on 865 doesn't work at this level.
Not because it's not sound, well thought out advice but because in my opinion there is little or no respect given to decisions made purely on hand strength.
My last three exits in online cash games I have had Full Houses after the flop. I've waited for the time clock to run down then pushed the all in button and have been beaten by a better full house, four jacks and a running flush. All made on the river.
I could shout conspiracy theories. Blame variance, swear I'm cursed etc. etc. but I know the reason I lose is because the level I can afford to play at. £4 is pocket change to some players and values shown on the screen are purely numbers to them! Consequently everyone calls the shove and it's only natural that with six players waiting for the deal to unfold there is a greater chance my premium hands will get beat. Jn all the years I've played at Casino's I've never seen more than 4 players call an all in is it common elsewhere? what's the most you've seen shove in a live game?
At last I've come to my proper question you're thinking!!!
Does shoving receive greater respect at the levels he plays?
Is it a purer poker at his level?
In his opinion is it better to save up a greater bank roll and play at higher levels to reduce “lottery” variance and bring Poker Skills into effect even though the standard of opposition will be much tougher?
Thanks for reading my question! Cue Richard to work his magic and convert this bundle of words into a sensible question!
Red's I notice you are on the plo cash tables a lot more. What makes u load up the plo tables instead of nlh, - mood -recent good value players - any other reason
1) I assume you're going to Vegas, how many WSOP do you think you'll be playing? And will you be playing the ME?
2) There's been alot of talk on the forum recently about people being, shall we say, 'very selective' with their choice of HU cash opponents. Do you find it very hard to get action at HU cash these days and does it frustrate you at all when some players refuse to play anyone other than REALLY bad players?
MotorHead- Ace Of spades If you like gamble tell LOLUFOLD im your man you win some,lose mainly all the same to HARTIGAN The pleasure is to play, no difference what TIKAY says I dont need CARLO'S Greed. The only card i need is THE ACE OF SPADES
On the subject of Survivor. I've only ever played in it once, started from the Sunday for £1 and made my way to the Saturday, sadly didn't cash but I was happy to have gotten to the final for £1.
To be honest, I found it fairly easy, the fact you only have to outlast half the field means that when the bubble goes, the average stack size will only have doubled from 2k to 4k. So it means you can just take your time, pick your spots, win a few hands and find yourself in a very comfortable position to cruise into the next day.
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"Ain't Gonna Bump No More," Joe Tex.
"Ain't Gonna Cry No More," Whitesnake.
"Ain't Gonna Read No Song Lyrics No More," Richard Orford.
Kylie Minogue - 3-Better The Devil You Know
Tina Turner- We don't need another hero call (from the movie Mad 6-Max: Beyond Thunderdone)
Keep the messages coming in- there's THREE toruney seats to give away today! See Opening Post for details...
would have given a great rendition of:-
I'll be your long haired shover from Liverpool
I've been playing alot of chess recently, and one of the obvious differences is that there is zero luck factor in chess, and unlike poker, the player with the significant edge will never lose against the weaker player. Slightly off topic, but chess has helped me realise the importance of having to think not only 1 or 2 moves ahead, but 3 or 4, or more.
In chess it is a massive mistake to have commited a key piece (say a rook/castle) to being taken without having realised a few moves earlier that this would happen and having worked out a plan to combat this problem. Likewise in cash, without stating the obvious, it a big mistake to find yourself pot commited/needing to shove without having seen this coming long before it happened.
For this reason, I think you need to be considering ALL of your bet/raise sizes very carefully. Clearly raising larger pre, will then mean any 3bets to you/4bets you make will be much larger, and if you're flat called pre, any c-bets will need to be larger. In a sense, I think if you're 100BB deep, then you need to have decided as soon as the flop comes out, whether you're willing to go all the way (whether it be on a bluff, or draw, or TP). Once you've made this decision, that will dictate what route you take, whether it be, check/call, check/raise, bet/call, bet/fold.
I know you probably won't be able to read all this out, so in summary, you need to have your full plan for the hand decided as soon as possible, so you know (for example) whether you're playing your draw very aggro and willing to jam missed draws or playing a lower variance method.
Sorry if I went on a bit, but I really want the Blackpool semi seat :P lol.
Paul
"Come on Gutshot, Oh I swear
At this moment, you mean everything"
One Time Justin Bieber
Hand Id 518166024 from Friday's Rebuy Open. My plan pre-flop when I called the raise (he had been raising too often after losing most of his chips) was to check raise any good flops, check call any reasonable flops, and check fold any clearly bad flops. I check raised and he went all in and I really didnt expect much of a hand from him. I thought my bet size was to extract value, he thought I was bluffing. Was it good or bad play from me?
My two questions for the show are...
Is there a place in the game for a Hero Fold? Or a Crying Raise?
A lot of advice and affection,
Whether I'm right or wrong.
And down the river,
Wherever it may take me,
I know that life won't bluff me,
When I come to call, The Card Gods won't forsake me,
I'm loving Redmond instead.
Am trying to come up with something with a more positive twist
'Remember that tank top I bought you.... yeah you wrote you're gormless on it'
Evening Team
I have a question for Redmond on tonight's topic “Shoving in Cash Games”
I play live cash games in local casinos NL50 and occasionally NL100 and normally hold my own.
On the occasions I shove with premium hands I would say I have a success rate of about 90% getting my hands through.
But my shoves are called probably less than 10% of the time.
As I have a limited bankroll my visits to Casinos are few and far between.
Online I play 2p/4p and 5p/10p because I haven't got the BR to sustain losses at higher levels.
But I find the advise given by analysts on 865 doesn't work at this level.
Not because it's not sound, well thought out advice but because in my opinion there is little or no respect given to decisions made purely on hand strength.
My last three exits in online cash games I have had Full Houses after the flop. I've waited for the time clock to run down then pushed the all in button and have been beaten by a better full house, four jacks and a running flush. All made on the river.
I could shout conspiracy theories. Blame variance, swear I'm cursed etc. etc. but I know the reason I lose is because the level I can afford to play at. £4 is pocket change to some players and values shown on the screen are purely numbers to them!
Consequently everyone calls the shove and it's only natural that with six players waiting for the deal to unfold there is a greater chance my premium hands will get beat.
Jn all the years I've played at Casino's I've never seen more than 4 players call an all in is it common elsewhere? what's the most you've seen shove in a live game?
At last I've come to my proper question you're thinking!!!
Does shoving receive greater respect at the levels he plays?
Is it a purer poker at his level?
In his opinion is it better to save up a greater bank roll and play at higher levels to reduce “lottery” variance and bring Poker Skills into effect even though the standard of opposition will be much tougher?
Thanks for reading my question! Cue Richard to work his magic and convert this bundle of words into a sensible question!
Have a great show guys!
poker jukebox
the 1960s song that launched the career of a wee glasweegian singer.....
LULU_fold, "Call"
- mood
-recent good value players
- any other reason
1) I assume you're going to Vegas, how many WSOP do you think you'll be playing? And will you be playing the ME?
2) There's been alot of talk on the forum recently about people being, shall we say, 'very selective' with their choice of HU cash opponents. Do you find it very hard to get action at HU cash these days and does it frustrate you at all when some players refuse to play anyone other than REALLY bad players?
MotorHead- Ace Of spades
If you like gamble tell LOLUFOLD im your man
you win some,lose mainly all the same to HARTIGAN
The pleasure is to play, no difference what TIKAY says
I dont need CARLO'S Greed. The only card i need is
THE ACE OF SPADES
'Been Caught Stealing' by Jane's Addiction.
To be honest, I found it fairly easy, the fact you only have to outlast half the field means that when the bubble goes, the average stack size will only have doubled from 2k to 4k. So it means you can just take your time, pick your spots, win a few hands and find yourself in a very comfortable position to cruise into the next day.