Good or bad fold? tricky hand

robz7

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
poooop	Small blind		£0.20	£0.20	£27.81
petermand	Big blind		£0.20	£0.40	£13.32
	Your hole cards	A J
MrDirk	Fold
oneluv1979	Raise		£0.60	£1.00	£5.81
cobra2k909	Fold
robz7	Call		£0.60	£1.60	£25.64
poooop	Call		£0.40	£2.00	£27.41
petermand	Call		£0.40	£2.40	£12.92
Flop
		5 3 J
poooop	Check
petermand	Check
oneluv1979	Bet		£0.80	£3.20	£5.01
robz7	Raise		£1.60	£4.80	£24.04
poooop	Raise		£6.40	£11.20	£21.01
petermand	Fold
oneluv1979	Fold
robz7	Call		£4.80	£16.00	£19.24
Turn
		6
poooop	All-in		£21.01	£37.01	£0.00
robz7	Fold
poooop	Muck
poooop	Win		£15.20		£15.20
poooop	Return		£21.01	£0.80	£36.21

percival09

your line is horrible

if villain is a fish then raising might be ok but probz not in a multiway pot, but if you do raise you have to really get it in because he'd get it with much less - readless and/or if villain is solid enough calling is the best line

if you do raise, I hate calling to fold to a turn shove - either fold to the flop raise or call the turn shove

but ideally just call 

robz7

In Response to Re: Good or bad fold? tricky hand:

your line is horrible if villain is a fish then raising might be ok but probz not in a multiway pot, but if you do raise you have to really get it in because he'd get it with much less - readless and/or if villain is solid enough calling is the best line if you do raise, I hate calling to fold to a turn shove - either fold to the flop raise or call the turn shove but ideally just call 
Posted by percival09

But i dont want to be shoving in with aj its not massively big tbh in a all in pre, im likely to be behide if i shove all in i think.  Thats the thing the villian wasnt loose he was fairly tight... i fully agree with calling flop and folding turn that was a real mistake.  Do you think i was beaten ?

KAM99

Calling the flop and folding the turn is fairly poor, as it leads me to ask what were you calling the reraise with a mind to? If calling hoping to improve its not good, and the board is ultra dry so unless he is mega loose its not likely he has any draw on this board. Given his preflop action an overpair seems unlikely, but a set is certainly possible, and given his raise on flop there is little doubt he will continue on turn with either big bet or as in this case a shove. Can't see him taking this line with KJ or JQ etc unless you've seen him play that wild so far. SO readless I have to think I'm dead here more often than not.

Either way you should be deciding on flop if you are going to play for stacks or fold, as thats what his reraise is saying, and so a call and a fold on the turn is just a waste of money to be honest.

BigHawk89

Just fold the flop if your not going to get it in on the turn. Seen POOOP make some moves but doubt he is doing this than any less than an overpair or set.

IDONKCALLU

if u think aj is not massive hand y raise the flop then u are not bluffing u have a good hand as played im calling the all in but i would of caled the flop and then decide on the turn the turn looks a brick so i would call down 

robz7

In Response to Re: Good or bad fold? tricky hand:

if u think aj is not massive hand y raise the flop then u are not bluffing u have a good hand as played im calling the all in but i would of caled the flop and then decide on the turn the turn looks a brick so i would call down 
Posted by IDONKCALLU

Its a good hand but not one i consider an all in with pre. I realise i made a mistake on the flop i should either fold or be prepraed to go all the way barring nothing scarey comes out on turn.... thanks everyone for the advice very helpful

grantorino

Prob flat first flop bet readless, fold to cold 3bet c/r as played

If you call flop don't fold blank turn

DrRunGood

ive not read the response above so sorry if i repeat any1 but calling pre on the button is so horrible you putting yourself in trouble right there.
then the call of £6 is worse tbh i think your behind full hand
easy fold tho maybe you folded it 2 bets too late

Dudeskin8

I prefer to just flat flop as it keep in bluffs and you're IP too so can assess, if you are going to raise for value you should make it more, min raise lets him see turn very cheap.

When the other guy makes a massive 3bet I probz fold here as he's repping a very big hand and on that board which is very dry he doesn't have many semi-bluff draws.

If you call that raise though then you have to call the turn all in as it's pretty much a blank apart from agressive played 42 lol