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Question about 'REGS'

edited May 2012 in Poker Chat
Watching the live show last night, and railing some of the bigger cash tables, has gotten me thinking about the pro and semi pro regs on here.

Now most of the time you see them playing each other for huge sums of money and yet they all seem to be playing most of the time and turning a profit (i presume). I fail to see how this works though. Are they passing money to each other or are they all doing this whilst topping up with money from fish that may play at the table?
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  • edited May 2012
    good question lol think its bit of both though.
  • edited May 2012
    There is always fish at every limit and that is where the +EV profit is at, but also amongst the good regs there are great ones and they will always come on top, regular nosebleed players are not equal in skill you know!
  • edited May 2012
    Ive only been playing poker for 7 weeks but in this time its clear to see that there is a massive gulf in class between alot of the regs who sit v each other everyday.

    I would say that the good regs make the cash from a mixture of lesser regs and rec players while the lesser regs rely more on the rec players and cash4points and somewhere in the middle of all of that the rec players make a bit of cash now and again which keeps them interested.

    In all honesty some of the regs might aswell be playing with their cards face up ( never betting without a big hand etc ) so if someone with as little experiance as me can see this the good regs must be having a field day with them :)
  • edited May 2012
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    Ive only been playing poker for 7 weeks but in this time its clear to see that there is a massive gulf in class between alot of the regs who sit v each other everyday. I would say that the good regs make the cash from a mixture of lesser regs and rec players while the lesser regs rely more on the rec players and cash4points and somewhere in the middle of all of that the rec players make a bit of cash now and again which keeps them interested. In all honesty some of the regs might aswell be playing with their cards face up ( never betting without a big hand etc ) so if someone with as little experiance as me can see this the good regs must be having a field day with them :)
    Posted by _ARAZI_

    Are you really a new poker player ?? Ive seen you playing a bit and your game has more maturity than some of the sites mainstays that have been around for years. As for the regs yeah, its pretty much abc stuff, but it gets paid. 

  • edited May 2012
    everyone's solid !
  • edited May 2012
    It's pretty astounding to still see poor limping out of position in £1/£2.
  • edited May 2012
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    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : Are you really a new poker player ?? Ive seen you playing a bit and your game has more maturity than some of the sites mainstays that have been around for years. As for the regs yeah, its pretty much abc stuff, but it gets paid. 
    Posted by ACEGOONER

    Tx for the complement mate your the 2nd player to say that to me now after Scotty said the same, wont get my head through the door soon :)

    But yes i have only played for 7 weeks although ive watched poker for years before that.


    Daz
  • edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS':
    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : Are you really a new poker player ?? Ive seen you playing a bit and your game has more maturity than some of the sites mainstays that have been around for years. As for the regs yeah, its pretty much abc stuff, but it gets paid. 
    Posted by ACEGOONER

    Lots think the same.
    I think the fact he's always pointing out how long he's been playing comes across a bit fishy.
  • edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS':
    Ive only been playing poker for 7 weeks but in this time its clear to see that there is a massive gulf in class between alot of the regs who sit v each other everyday. I would say that the good regs make the cash from a mixture of lesser regs and rec players while the lesser regs rely more on the rec players and cash4points and somewhere in the middle of all of that the rec players make a bit of cash now and again which keeps them interested. In all honesty some of the regs might aswell be playing with their cards face up ( never betting without a big hand etc ) so if someone with as little experiance as me can see this the good regs must be having a field day with them :)
    Posted by _ARAZI_

    This is pretty much spot on, as a summary of how it works.

  • edited May 2012
    YEAHHHHHHHHHHH

    But how do you beat the tight nit regs !


    we want these questions answered - can't get a penny out of them !

    they either have it or do not play a hand !

    jesus help me
  • edited May 2012
    If some1 could you tell me how you win against anyone, it would be greatly appreciated!!
  • edited May 2012
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    If some1 could you tell me how you win against anyone, it would be greatly appreciated!!
    Posted by FlashFlush
    having a bad run m8,you know it will turn
  • edited May 2012
    Yeah but it's OK, its only lasted for like a month and a half! lol I'm sure its partly my own fault.
  • edited May 2012
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    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : Tx for the complement mate your the 2nd player to say that to me now after Scotty said the same, wont get my head through the door soon :) But yes i have only played for 7 weeks although ive watched poker for years before that. Daz
    Posted by _ARAZI_
    Clever guy! Gains vast knowledge before he puts his money on the line.
  • edited May 2012
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    YEAHHHHHHHHHHH But how do you beat the tight nit regs ! we want these questions answered - can't get a penny out of them ! they either have it or do not play a hand ! jesus help me
    Posted by rancid
    To be honest, i would love a player like this!
    Steal his blinds constantly, and can also make profitable bluffs. Knowing he folds a big part of range. With the comfort of knowing he has it when he bets/raises.
  • edited May 2012
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    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : Lots think the same. I think the fact he's always pointing out how long he's been playing comes across a bit fishy.
    Posted by donkeyplop


    +1      
  • edited May 2012
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    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : Lots think the same. I think the fact he's always pointing out how long he's been playing comes across a bit fishy.
    Posted by donkeyplop
    To be honest i have to agree with this. I don't get why you'd watch poker for years, enough to gain knowledge enough to be really good, yet not touch the game yourself until you'd been into it for years. I think he's far too good and knowledgable to pull this bluff off, but that's ok. Something doesn't add up, unless he's just a freak of poker nature :P Either way you gotta say the guy has chops.
  • edited May 2012
    Their are many tables online where their is no or little edge for any player. The edge required over a table will depend on the big blinds per 100 required to break even.

    2p 4p - 25p 50p, 7 -15 bbs per 100 required.

    50 1   5 -12 bbs per 100 required.

    1-2   4-9

    The requirement will vary depending on the site.

    Although less bbs per 100 in required at lower stakes, this can be deceptive because the standard of the regular players will increase as you move from one set of stakes to the next.

    Therefore be very careful moving up stakes. Make sure you are winning after playing at least 200 hours at one set of stakes before moving up to the next. Make sure you have the bankroll to play at the stakes you play, and manage your bankroll very carefully.Always making sure their is value for in playing the tables you are playing on.

    Also the bb per 100 requirements can appear to be easier to achieve then they are in reality.  At 50NL for example a roughly 80-100 buy in edge will be required over 100.000 hands. 

    GL.
  • edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS':
    Their are many tables online where their is no or little edge for any player. The edge required over a table will depend on the big blinds per 100 required to break even. 2p 4p - 25p 50p, 7 -15 bbs per 100 required. 50 1   5 -12 bbs per 100 required. 1-2   4-9 The requirement will vary depending on the site. Although less bbs per 100 in required at lower stakes, this can be deceptive because the standard of the regular players will increase as you move from one set of stakes to the next. Therefore be very careful moving up stakes. Make sure you are winning after playing at least 200 hours at one set of stakes before moving up to the next. Make sure you have the bankroll to play at the stakes you play, and manage your bankroll very carefully.Always making sure their is value for in playing the tables you are playing on. Also the bb per 100 requirements can appear to be easier to achieve then they are in reality.  At 50NL for example a roughly 80-100 buy in edge will be required over 100.000 hands.  GL.
    Posted by Fabraclass
    This is all well and good and all a bit depressing tbh (not sure on your figures either btw), but who the hell asked! whats your poker background m8? what stakes do you play?
  • edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS':
    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : To be honest i have to agree with this. I don't get why you'd watch poker for years, enough to gain knowledge enough to be really good, yet not touch the game yourself until you'd been into it for years. I think he's far too good and knowledgable to pull this bluff off, but that's ok. Something doesn't add up, unless he's just a freak of poker nature :P Either way you gotta say the guy has chops.
    Posted by Pipunch

    For starters mate i have gained some knowledge but i am not really good :)

    In my first 7 weeks i am just below break even but i am happy with that because i know alot lose when first starting out.

    Secondly the reason i havnt played before now is that even though i have watched poker since the days of late night poker i have only really thought about playing online since i started watching sky poker ( about 15 months or so ) and in that time i have never missed a show either watching live or recording it to watch later.

    I wanted to get some knowledge of the game before jumping in and then when i finally got my @ss into gear in late march this year i opened my account to play.

    The words of the guys on the show are now implanted into my head and i always try to use position, hardly ever limp into a pot and generally target the weaker players at the table while avoiding the better ones so i am guessing this is the reason i seem to have experiance when really all i do is try to make the game easier for myself.

    The most important thing i find when playing is the note taking facility and playing the player alot of the time and not the cards although if you watched me on 25/50 earlier this morning you wouldnt think this worked very well when i went 5 buyins down within 20mins lol

    A friend of mine gave me a great tip on a certain note to take on players and it is something all players do but something very few players would spot and up to now this seems like it could be very profitable to me over the coming months on sky. (sorry but i wont share this tip with the forum :) )

    My only plan as far as poker goes is to try and improve over time and eventually get to the stage where i am a consistent winning player and not just relying on cash4points etc although i am not saying that is a bad thing for the players that do this because at the end of the day a profit is a profit.

    Hope this clears everything up and you now know i am not Phil Ivey slumming it on low stakes :)

    Good luck at the tables

    Daz.
  • edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS':
    Ive only been playing poker for 7 weeks but in this time its clear to see that there is a massive gulf in class between alot of the regs who sit v each other everyday. I would say that the good regs make the cash from a mixture of lesser regs and rec players while the lesser regs rely more on the rec players and cash4points and somewhere in the middle of all of that the rec players make a bit of cash now and again which keeps them interested. In all honesty some of the regs might aswell be playing with their cards face up ( never betting without a big hand etc ) so if someone with as little experiance as me can see this the good regs must be having a field day with them :)
    Posted by _ARAZI_
    Describes it pretty well. Just because someone's a reg, doesn't mean they're any good. There are plenty of dym regs with over -$5000 sharkscopes. 
  • edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS':
    Their are many tables online where their is no or little edge for any player. The edge required over a table will depend on the big blinds per 100 required to break even. 2p 4p - 25p 50p, 7 -15 bbs per 100 required. 50 1   5 -12 bbs per 100 required. 1-2   4-9 The requirement will vary depending on the site. Although less bbs per 100 in required at lower stakes, this can be deceptive because the standard of the regular players will increase as you move from one set of stakes to the next. Therefore be very careful moving up stakes. Make sure you are winning after playing at least 200 hours at one set of stakes before moving up to the next. Make sure you have the bankroll to play at the stakes you play, and manage your bankroll very carefully.Always making sure their is value for in playing the tables you are playing on. Also the bb per 100 requirements can appear to be easier to achieve then they are in reality.  At 50NL for example a roughly 80-100 buy in edge will be required over 100.000 hands.  GL.
    Posted by Fabraclass

    this is ludicrous imo, and contradictory, so at 50nl u need to be winning at least 7bb/100 to break even? (to beat the rake)??

     if ur winrate is 7bb/100 + 6table nl50 3 hours a day 5 days a week

    ....6max hands per hour = approx 80

    so... (6*80)*3 = 1440 hands x 5 days a week (say 20 a month) = 28800

    and 7bb/100 = u make £3.50 per 100 hands  = £1008

    which if im not mistaked is a quite a handsome part-time earning at nl50

    also wtf does this mean? At 50NL for example a roughly 80-100 buy in edge will be required over 100.000 hands.  GL.

  • edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS':
    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : For starters mate i have gained some knowledge but i am not really good :) In my first 7 weeks i am just below break even but i am happy with that because i know alot lose when first starting out. Secondly the reason i havnt played before now is that even though i have watched poker since the days of late night poker i have only really thought about playing online since i started watching sky poker ( about 15 months or so ) and in that time i have never missed a show either watching live or recording it to watch later. I wanted to get some knowledge of the game before jumping in and then when i finally got my @ss into gear in late march this year i opened my account to play. The words of the guys on the show are now implanted into my head and i always try to use position, hardly ever limp into a pot and generally target the weaker players at the table while avoiding the better ones so i am guessing this is the reason i seem to have experiance when really all i do is try to make the game easier for myself. The most important thing i find when playing is the note taking facility and playing the player alot of the time and not the cards although if you watched me on 25/50 earlier this morning you wouldnt think this worked very well when i went 5 buyins down within 20mins lol A friend of mine gave me a great tip on a certain note to take on players and it is something all players do but something very few players would spot and up to now this seems like it could be very profitable to me over the coming months on sky. (sorry but i wont share this tip with the forum :) ) My only plan as far as poker goes is to try and improve over time and eventually get to the stage where i am a consistent winning player and not just relying on cash4points etc although i am not saying that is a bad thing for the players that do this because at the end of the day a profit is a profit. Hope this clears everything up and you now know i am not Phil Ivey slumming it on low stakes :) Good luck at the tables Daz.
    Posted by _ARAZI_
    Well you've certainly made me reconsider my stance haha. I'm suspicious by nature and i clocked that you mention lots how long you've been playing so i didn't believe it. I have now reconsidered though and do actually believe you. And you are better than you give yourself credit for - when playing for so little time your less than break even play could just be because you started with bad variance. Your play is pretty good to be honest and hopefully you'll experience an upswing soon.
  • edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS':
    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : Well you've certainly made me reconsider my stance haha. I'm suspicious by nature and i clocked that you mention lots how long you've been playing so i didn't believe it. I have now reconsidered though and do actually believe you. And you are better than you give yourself credit for - when playing for so little time your less than break even play could just be because you started with bad variance. Your play is pretty good to be honest and hopefully you'll experience an upswing soon.
    Posted by Pipunch
    +1, good post by ARAZI there, great name too!!
  • edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS':
    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : For starters mate i have gained some knowledge but i am not really good :) In my first 7 weeks i am just below break even but i am happy with that because i know alot lose when first starting out. Secondly the reason i havnt played before now is that even though i have watched poker since the days of late night poker i have only really thought about playing online since i started watching sky poker ( about 15 months or so ) and in that time i have never missed a show either watching live or recording it to watch later. I wanted to get some knowledge of the game before jumping in and then when i finally got my @ss into gear in late march this year i opened my account to play. The words of the guys on the show are now implanted into my head and i always try to use position, hardly ever limp into a pot and generally target the weaker players at the table while avoiding the better ones so i am guessing this is the reason i seem to have experiance when really all i do is try to make the game easier for myself. The most important thing i find when playing is the note taking facility and playing the player alot of the time and not the cards although if you watched me on 25/50 earlier this morning you wouldnt think this worked very well when i went 5 buyins down within 20mins lol A friend of mine gave me a great tip on a certain note to take on players and it is something all players do but something very few players would spot and up to now this seems like it could be very profitable to me over the coming months on sky. (sorry but i wont share this tip with the forum :) ) My only plan as far as poker goes is to try and improve over time and eventually get to the stage where i am a consistent winning player and not just relying on cash4points etc although i am not saying that is a bad thing for the players that do this because at the end of the day a profit is a profit. Hope this clears everything up and you now know i am not Phil Ivey slumming it on low stakes :) Good luck at the tables Daz.
    Posted by _ARAZI_
    Hi Arazi,

    I'm a bit 'in the same boat' as you. I'd watched poker on tv for years but not really knowing much theory, well any really! I did enjoy it but saw myself as giving money away by playing. By chance, i came across SKY POKER and loved the easy, logical explanations as well as the more intricate stuff. Compliments to the team there. It is such an easy going experience watching. Anyway, i watched the lessons, invested in Harrington's vol1 and reread a 'how to play online' book i'd been bought years before but had been to reluctant to get involved with.
    It was a matter of not wanting to get stuffed !! I like to research and get a bit of knowledge before investing time and money.(No i'm not from Yorkshire...no offence).
    I must admit though Arazi that i was playing online within a week. I don't know how you could watch for so long and not get involved in playing. It was such a buzz that first time and i was really nervous!
    The following week i went to my local casino in Liverpool and actually won the tournament more through playing ABC poker and a lot of luck. I got to the Survivor final in the first week from the monday (never since!) and my love of the game was set in stone. In the past 11 months, i can see improvement in my game and i'm still getting a lot of enjoyment from it. I don't play cash as it has different mindsets , i feel though maybe in time.
    I think people are just surprised that they see you on, for me, big cash tables, getting complimented, quite rightly, by Tikay and the like, as well as having forthright opinions on the forum. Poker players are naturally suspicious as that's the nature of the game.
    Anyway, all the best in your game. I'm taking the slow road, finance-wise, by playing low levels in order to get more experience first. Good luck to you and hope to see you at a table sometime....cheers. 
  • edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS':
    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : Hi Arazi, I'm a bit 'in the same boat' as you. I'd watched poker on tv for years but not really knowing much theory, well any really! I did enjoy it but saw myself as giving money away by playing. By chance, i came across SKY POKER and loved the easy, logical explanations as well as the more intricate stuff. Compliments to the team there. It is such an easy going experience watching. Anyway, i watched the lessons, invested in Harrington's vol1 and reread a 'how to play online' book i'd been bought years before but had been to reluctant to get involved with. It was a matter of not wanting to get stuffed !! I like to research and get a bit of knowledge before investing time and money.(No i'm not from Yorkshire...no offence). I must admit though Arazi that i was playing online within a week. I don't know how you could watch for so long and not get involved in playing. It was such a buzz that first time and i was really nervous! The following week i went to my local casino in Liverpool and actually won the tournament more through playing ABC poker and a lot of luck. I got to the Survivor final in the first week from the monday (never since!) and my love of the game was set in stone. In the past 11 months, i can see improvement in my game and i'm still getting a lot of enjoyment from it. I don't play cash as it has different mindsets , i feel though maybe in time. I think people are just surprised that they see you on, for me, big cash tables, getting complimented, quite rightly, by Tikay and the like, as well as having forthright opinions on the forum. Poker players are naturally suspicious as that's the nature of the game. Anyway, all the best in your game. I'm taking the slow road, finance-wise, by playing low levels in order to get more experience first. Good luck to you and hope to see you at a table sometime....cheers. 
    Posted by profman15
    Excellent post. A tip i've found is helping me is to make sure you're more than adequately rolled for a level, and then hide your balance. I was in the mindset of sitting at the table with 4x the buy in, then calculating up total profit and loss. Then if you are put to the test for 50% of it you think 'hmm i had £x i don't want to lose what i've built up in this session' and can play scared.
  • edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS':
    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : This is all well and good and all a bit depressing tbh (not sure on your figures either btw), but who the hell asked! whats your poker background m8? what stakes do you play?
    Posted by WHOAMI196
    First off I hope you have calmed down since you wrote your reply to my post.As you came across as a bit aggressive and confrontational. In my post i was trying to illustrate what is required to beat the game of poker. I think it is very important to be realistic in the game of poker and to know exactly what is required to be profitable. It can be very easy to think I am pretty good at this game and should make decent money from it. The reality is that 90% of people wont win money at poker, and this applies to cash games aswell.My post is aimed at people who are looking to make an income stream from poker. I am not trying to discourage people from playing, or recreational players feeding pro's.  I am trying to encourage more serious player's to be more selective about who they play. To give themselves a better chance of turning a profit long term.

    Since your are unsure about my figures, I shall provide you with the source

    www.pokertableratings.com (poker tools, then site rake analysis)

    I was slightly reticent about providing the source at it advertises other sites, and doesn't include sky poker. But since you want to know. My figures try to make some allowance for rakeback.)

    The reason i post on sky is because i like the community aspect of the site, and their seems to be a lot of good people on here, who i would like to help with my knowledge and experience. As far as my poker background. I have played hundreds of thousands of hands. I currently play heads up 50 NL, and am looking to build a bankroll so that I will be in better position to hopefully make a living from the game

    In response to the question "Who the hell asked" No one in particular. However if I can dispense information that I think will be valuable to people, then I am at liberty to do so. The truth can hurt, however it is almost always good to be aware of the truth, and to present the truth. The main reason I post is to help people. Ego driven or attention seeking reasons, are'nt really factors.
  • edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS':
    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : this is ludicrous imo, and contradictory, so at 50nl u need to be winning at least 7bb/100 to break even? (to beat the rake)??  if ur winrate is 7bb/100 + 6table nl50 3 hours a day 5 days a week ....6max hands per hour = approx 80 so... (6*80)*3 = 1440 hands x 5 days a week (say 20 a month) = 28800 and 7bb/100 = u make £3.50 per 100 hands  = £1008 which if im not mistaked is a quite a handsome part-time earning at nl50 also wtf does this mean? At 50NL for example a roughly 80-100 buy in edge will be required over 100.000 hands.  GL.
    Posted by sikas
    Don't shoot the messenger. The source of my information is as follows

    www.pokertableratings.com (then go to poker tools and site rake analysis)

    In response to your classilly put "wtf does this mean".The quote means exactly what it says. Go the site and do the maths for yourself. I was referring to 6 max cash by the way. I tried to allow for rakeback.

    Thanks for the gratitude in your post. Do you want me to filter you out the next time i try to provide information that will be beneficial to people.
  • edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS':
    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : First off I hope you have calmed down since you wrote your reply to my post.As you came across as a bit aggressive and confrontational. In my post i was trying to illustrate what is required to beat the game of poker. I think it is very important to be realistic in the game of poker and to know exactly what is required to be profitable. It can be very easy to think I am pretty good at this game and should make decent money from it. The reality is that 90% of people wont win money at poker, and this applies to cash games aswell.My post is aimed at people who are looking to make an income stream from poker. I am not trying to discourage people from playing, or recreational players feeding pro's.  I am trying to encourage more serious player's to be more selective about who they play. To give themselves a better chance of turning a profit long term. Since your are unsure about my figures, I shall provide you with the source www.pokertableratings.com (poker tools, then site rake analysis) I was slightly reticent about providing the source at it advertises other sites, and doesn't include sky poker. But since you want to know. My figures try to make some allowance for rakeback.) The reason i post on sky is because i like the community aspect of the site, and their seems to be a lot of good people on here, who i would like to help with my knowledge and experience. As far as my poker background. I have played hundreds of thousands of hands. I currently play heads up 50 NL, and am looking to build a bankroll so that I will be in better position to hopefully make a living from the game In response to the question "Who the hell asked" No one in particular. However if I can dispense information that I think will be valuable to people, then I am at liberty to do so. The truth can hurt, however it is almost always good to be aware of the truth, and to present the truth. The main reason I post is to help people. Ego driven or attention seeking reasons, are'nt really factors.
    Posted by Fabraclass

    Sorry if i came across aggressive maybe its my johnny cash pic lol, but i was just wondering if you were on drugs that's all.... Since you get your figures from a "source" then they are not your figures are they! you play heads up, so maybe 7bb/100 is what is needed to beat rake and keep ahead of the blinds; i dont know. But in a ring game anything over 0bb/100, is good, for 4 months at 888 i was doing 4bb/100, and i felt that was crushing.

    You came across to me like a person who does not play online poker that has read a few books and to then throw all the information that you have acquired when making posts, although maybe valid but albeit depressing in the sense that all you say is, you MUST do this, MUST achieve that etc, etc.

    Also i find these numbers on losing players being at 90% or whatever are wrong and misguided, wtf and htf people get these figures? take away all recreational players, all players who like to take it seriously but cant with work commitment, take away all those rich folk who just like to gamble it up, and all the micro players, then you would only be left with a tiny percentage of all the playing field who take the game very seriously, who are pros, and it would not seem too rash to think that you can make a lot of money at poker seeing that a high percentage of the pros are probably making money.

    Lastly i hope i don't discourage you to post in the future, as you are obviously smart, and in your 30 or so posts you have contributed quite a bit and long may it continue.

  • edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS':
    In Response to Re: Question about 'REGS' : Sorry if i came across aggressive maybe its my johnny cash pic lol, but i was just wondering if you were on drugs that's all.... Since you get your figures from a "source" then they are not your figures are they! you play heads up, so maybe 7bb/100 is what is needed to beat rake and keep ahead of the blinds; i dont know. But in a ring game anything over 0bb/100, is good, for 4 months at 888 i was doing 4bb/100, and i felt that was crushing. You came across to me like a person who does not play online poker that has read a few books and to then throw all the information that you have acquired when making posts, although maybe valid but albeit depressing in the sense that all you say is, you MUST do this, MUST achieve that etc, etc. Also i find these numbers on losing players being at 90% or whatever are wrong and misguided, wtf and htf people get these figures? take away all recreational players, all players who like to take it seriously but cant with work commitment, take away all those rich folk who just like to gamble it up, and all the micro players, then you would only be left with a tiny percentage of all the playing field who take the game very seriously, who are pros, and it would not seem too rash to think that you can make a lot of money at poker seeing that a high percentage of the pros are probably making money. Lastly i hope i don't discourage you to post in the future, as you are obviously smart, and in your 30 or so posts you have contributed quite a bit and long may it continue.
    Posted by WHOAMI196
    No i wasn't on drugs. Don' t know how you would get that impression. Where you on drugs when you read it? Yeah my figure where from a source, however they were my figures, in the sense of I provided them, broke them down to bbs per 100, and altered them to take account of rakeback.

    A certain amount of bbs per 100 are required to win at all forms of cash poker including 6 max cash.Anything above this is your win rate.

    If at 20nl you pay £2 per 100 hands in rake. This means you must win 10 bbs per 100 to break even(not accounting for rakeback) bb s per 100 above this is your win rate.

    Most of the knowledge I have, has come from experience in poker. I'm not a great proponent of poker books, as i think their are more effective and efficient ways of learning, eg training videos and analysing sessions, speaking with very good players. I am not trying to depress people, I am trying to promote realism in poker. If I come across to you as saying "YOU MUST DO THIS" their is good reason for me speaking with an heir of conviction. When you are trying to convey important messages, it is important to do so with conviction.

    Their is no maybe about it, the information i give is valid and will help you.At least 90% of players will lose money at poker in the long term. That's just the way the game works. Their is no point being in denial about this. Just do what you can to be in the minority who make money.

    Don't worry about me being put off posting. As I have received attacks to my posts. It doesn't really bother me. To some extent it is human nature. But should not be tolerated. But just be careful about being overly critical of and unjustifiably critical of peoples posts. As this can discourage people from posting. Sky wants its players to feel welcome on the forum. Every persons post deserves respect. So these people who try and elevate themselves in their own minds by slating other peoples posts. Take heed and take a good look in the mirror.




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