New Cash Tables - 'Short Shove'

Sky_Poker · May 2012

Hi everyone

As you know, we've done some work on creating different table formats including deeper-stacked cash tables which are popular but now we'ew trialling some at the opposite end of the scale and they are called SHORT SHOVE tables.

You can find these tables easily as they have their own 'short' filter on the cash lobby. They are fun tables where it's pretty much all or nothing when you get involved in a hand, based on the fact that you can only buy-in with 5 big blinds. No more, no less.

They are great fun and certainly will have different tactics to playing deep! We're sure people will soon work out their own systems for this.

One interesting thing is that they can suit lower bankroll players and put them on a more level playing field with other players because you can only start with the same stack.

So we are starting with:

- 10p/20p (£1 to play)
- 25p/50p (£2.50)
- 50p/£1 (£5)
- £1/£2 (£10)

So as we said, £1/£2 buy-in is akin to 5p/10p on 'regular' tables. This reminds us, if you don't want these to appear in your lobby, click on the 'regular' filter and they will disappear.

Sound like fun? - then give them a go.

We hope you enjoy them!

Thanks
Sky Poker

DOHHHHHHH · May 2012

Hope you're not gonna snap delete everyones post who says exactly the same as I just did. Might as well close the thread now.

Good idea though.

splashies · May 2012

I really dont see the point of this?

You are charging 5% rake too, so I can't see how these are beatable?? Am i missing something?

Sky_Poker · May 2012

We realise these might not be everone's cup of tea but others will love them.

Not everyone likes DYMs / hypercharged / Bounty Hunters, others like them.

People have the choice to play them or not. As with all the trials we do, if they are not popular, we'll stop doing them. Many of the most popular games on Sky Poker started with trials like this.

Thanks
Sky Poker

MAXALLY · May 2012

I am not a cash player, but I am sure these kind of tables would only work if the rake were lowered. Keeping the same rake will only be a bigger gain for Sky Poker from the micro players.

1267 · May 2012

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I really dont see the point of this? You are charging 5% rake too, so I can't see how these are beatable?? Am i missing something?
Posted by splashies

Some people play poker just for fun you know ...

Sky_Poker · May 2012

In Response to Re: New Cash Tables - 'Short Shove':

I really dont see the point of this? You are charging 5% rake too, so I can't see how these are beatable?? Am i missing something?
Posted by splashies

It's a different type of game but some people will work them out.

Solack will probably have a system!

DOHHHHHHH · May 2012

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In Response to Re: New Cash Tables - 'Short Shove' : It's a different type of game but some people will work them out. Solack will probably have a system!
Posted by Sky_Poker

They wont. If anyone can show a profit at this, I'll give them the money myself.

Why say changes will come in, in the order they are most needed......

Then bring this out ahead of antes?

Sky_Poker · May 2012

In Response to Re: New Cash Tables - 'Short Shove':

I am not a cash player, but I am sure these kind of tables would only work if the rake were lowered. Keeping the same rake will only be a bigger gain for Sky Poker from the micro players.
Posted by MAXALLY

We kept the rake standard for now but will look into this.

Thanks
Sky Poker

Sky_Poker · May 2012

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In Response to Re: New Cash Tables - 'Short Shove' : They wont. If anyone can show a profit at this, I'll give them the money myself. Why say changes will come in, in the order they are most needed...... Then bring this out ahead of antes?
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Hi Dohhhhhhh - you might be surprised!

Also, this genuinely has nothing to do with antes. It uses existing functionality and so does not impact any other developments.

Thanks
Sky Poker

oynutter · May 2012

Why they not on 2p/4p?

Swog · May 2012

To be honest, i like the idea. But i think maybe a buy-in of anything upto 20BB's. With a slight reduction in rake?

Sky_Poker · May 2012

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Why they not on 2p/4p?
Posted by oynutter

Hi Oynutter - we may do these later but because it was a trial we just chose some 'mid-level' tables first. Especially because the buy-ins are already low too.

Sky_Poker · May 2012

In Response to Re: New Cash Tables - 'Short Shove':

To be honest, i like the idea. But i think maybe a buy-in of anything upto 20BB's. With a slight reduction in rake?
Posted by Swog

Again, this is something we can look at look at adjusting based on how these go.

Thank you.

Sky Poker

Mohican · May 2012

I'd imagine at 5bb max,these are the cash equivalent of a frenzy tournament, where there is no skill involved and just a question of making it past the rebuy period and hoping your hands hold up in the freeze out period.Still, some people will play them I'm sure.

EvilPingu · May 2012

Played exactly the same thing on another site, wasn't a fan, and can't see them adding anything to Sky Poker.

If anything, they're going to take the people who want to gamble away from the regular cash tables, which is a bad thing for the players (we have to play stronger players if all the gamblers are on the short tables). I honestly can't see any benefit of having these tables.

I also think you'll have to drop the rake from 5% if you want anyone to play them, as these will be unbeatable otherwise.

GREGHOGG · May 2012

Im sitting at a 20nl table with 5bbs someone come play me!

GREGHOGG · May 2012

OK played for 5 mins, i like the idea of SKy trying different things.. but at the moment i dont see the appeal of these...They might be popular late on a friday or saturday night tho!

although heres a couple of hands that just happened!:)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
heapey0015	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£0.67
rtc	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£0.00
25jamie125	Sit out
Grispino	Big blind		£0.20	£0.50	£0.80
	Your hole cards	K 9
Grispino	Check
GREGHOGG	All-in		£1.20	£1.70	£0.00
mondo1985	Fold
heapey0015	All-in		£0.67	£2.37	£0.00
Grispino	All-in		£0.80	£3.17	£0.00
GREGHOGG	Unmatched bet		£0.20	£2.97	£0.20
heapey0015	Show	2 A
rtc	Show	5 2
Grispino	Show	K K
GREGHOGG	Show	K 9
Flop
		10 8 8
Turn
		6
River
		3
GREGHOGG	Win	Flush to the King	£2.82		£3.02

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
25jamie125	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£3.49
GREGHOGG	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£2.83
	Your hole cards	J 7
mondo1985	Fold
25jamie125	Call		£0.10	£0.40	£3.39
GREGHOGG	Check
Flop
		J J J
25jamie125	Check
GREGHOGG	Check
Turn
		8
25jamie125	Check
GREGHOGG	Bet		£0.20	£0.60	£2.63
25jamie125	Fold
GREGHOGG	Muck
GREGHOGG	Win		£0.38		£3.01
GREGHOGG	Return		£0.20	£0.02	£3.21

FlyingDagg · May 2012

Surely these are just a shove fest and take all the skill out of a game?

rancid · May 2012

omg this is the worst idea ever !

takes short stacking to a whole new level !

GREGHOGG · May 2012

just played 25/50 with a buyin of 2.50 and got it up to 20 quid then donked it off again lol

these are already growing on me! sighaments

GaryQQQ · May 2012

It'll sink or swim on it's own merits. Probably swim IMO.

I don't think for one minute that serious players will see these as a money making opportunity, and I don't expect to see forum regulars sat at these for any length of time. But there are players out there who just want to gamble, they might like the idea.

Imagine a thread like this introducing Roulette HU STTs (the ones that already exist). The forum would go ballistic and insist that it's a ridiculous idea and that nobody would ever play them. However, as we all know, the reality is that the (100% guaranteed unbeatable) RR STTs actually do pretty good business.

LOL_RAISE · May 2012

5bb poker without auto reload!!!!!

IDONKCALLU · May 2012

5 big blinds this is beyond crazy im sure dohhh would love he likes playing shallow stacks lol

GREGHOGG · May 2012

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5bb poker without auto reload!!!!!
Posted by LOL_RAISE

this!

nagrom · May 2012

I'm all for Sky wanting to add new features etc. I just think this is the wrong direction to be going in, particularly given the feedback from the forum regarding 'must haves'. IMO it is features such as this that mean Sky, perhaps unfairly, doesn't hold the gravitas or respect among the wider poker audience that it deserves.

From a business perspective, I guess I can see the logic behind this and the Russian Roulettes. With Sky Poker being under the same umbrella as Vegas, Bingo and Bet, such features do probably make poker more accessible. I think the forumites and other regulars would just like to see more urgent matters dealt with first but I'm sure they are in the pipeline...

The main danger for the cash regs here could be that the uber-fish are now more drawn to these crazy games, but we shall see.

jakally · May 2012

Had a spin on these earlier, just to see what they were like.

Can't see anything good about them tbh, just really boring after about 5 minutes.

Lambert180 · May 2012

I imagine it's inevitably gonna get down to a few people getting playable stacks and then turning into a proper cash games where the guys who are up to 50BB can take advantage of the 5BB stacks.

Kinda like when there's a forum NLO game and blinds are 2p/4p but everyone has like £50+, 100+... wild for a bit, the unlucky ones reload lots of new people come along and eventually some have monster stacks and can play properly.

EvilPingu · May 2012

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I imagine it's inevitably gonna get down to a few people getting playable stacks and then turning into a proper cash games where the guys who are up to 50BB can take advantage of the 5BB stacks.
Posted by Lambert180

This is exactly what happens. Have played the same thing on 888, the trick is to always be the table starter, gamble a couple of times so you have a decent stack, then you can start selecting what hands to get your money in with.

I still maintain that lower rake will be needed to have a big enough edge to be profitable on these. There is money to be made from these, although it'll be very swingy.

The_Don90 · May 2012

In Response to Re: New Cash Tables - 'Short Shove':

In Response to Re: New Cash Tables - 'Short Shove' : This is exactly what happens. Have played the same thing on 888, the trick is to always be the table starter, gamble a couple of times so you have a decent stack, then you can start selecting what hands to get your money in with. I still maintain that lower rake will be needed to have a big enough edge to be profitable on these. There is money to be made from these, although it'll be very swingy.
Posted by EvilPingu

Cant say i seen them on 888 but havent been on their for about 4 months now.

As many have said much more better things should be in the pipeline. Colour Coded Notes, Auto Reload, sync breaks(respect they are here now so were fine). There are others but i cant think atm.

I might play these between a grinds or tournys just for a bit of tilt release or relaxation.

IDONKCALLU · May 2012

yeah 888 have this aswell dnt like it wheres the skill poker is skill there is no skill going all in or fold is there ?

New Cash Tables - 'Short Shove'

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