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Poker on 4 with Hartigan.
A guy tripple barrels Liv Boeree, she calls the river.
He says you got it, and mucks his hand.
She scoops the pot and the hand ends without her turning her cards over,
isn't this just an easy way for players to collude .?
He says you got it, and mucks his hand.
She scoops the pot and the hand ends without her turning her cards over,
isn't this just an easy way for players to collude .?
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I want to see clarification here. Both tournys run by same people, and i have to show and Liv doesnt. Sigh
just watched it and yes collusion could be possible here. Was very strange, or was it because she was all in and he was the shover that he didnt have to show because she couldnt reraise him at that point? if she had chips left would it be a different story?
if u call and they fold/muck then it's the same thing - you don't have to show
[QUOTE]boree called to see his cards, he mucked if u call and they fold/muck then it's the same thing - you don't have to show
Posted by rancid
but players used to use the term 'ill see you'. Did this term stop and just 'call' used because of the reason above.
how can it be the same thing.
Lol yeah he does look a bit like Matt Cardle performing in front of millions these days
Genuinely think I enjoy the banter more than the show lately. Poker on the radio ftw
Def the A team
i am sure james won't be reading these posts (professional modesty and with far better things to do with his time) but, yes, he and jon are superb and make a poker programme that can be watched twice.
my favourite line was from last year....
james, "it must be nice to have your brother come and rail you."
jon, "my brother's an idiot."
Never liked victor Ramdin anyway. Suspect was a bit of a hero call from Boree too.
Situation of dealer consistancy invovles the no mobile phones at the table. As you probably know No mobile phones. fair enough. Im a regular tweeter when playing live. However i found that to most dealers if your not in the hand dont bother and are fine with it. However late in the day between hands we got a new dealer first hand he goes to deal im posting a small tweet. Although i am also big blind. I had a quick tweet to post and was quickly doing this over the dealer change over. First card dealt before i even have one card im told to put my phone away. I do and just assume its because id now have a card. However 2 hands later theres a raise and 3bet from EP i fold my BTN and start finnishing my tweet. I get another warning. Confused about it i just didnt tweet in this dealers spell. When the next dealer came i asked for clarification he said if your not in a hand no worries. Same as it had been all day.
Although this is talking about the same tourny again where the board reads 22227 and opponent shows 88 and i show K7 and had to call floor to win the pot.
Obviously this meant later on there was alot of "i want to see what you have" before saying the word "call" and people including myself even started using that line to get live tells on certain players.
If staff call for a ruling its just an aside.
One rule can mean two things to two different people when worded the exact same. And for that reason we love so many different aspects of so many different games.
[QUOTE]I think its a pretty good habit to "attempt" to scoop a pot when oppo mucks in anycase. If staff call for a ruling its just an aside.
Posted by AMYBR
It's also a habit that would get you a time-penalty or worse in any well-run Venue......
Dealers award us the pot, we never take it until they do, for fear our hands will be, quite rightly, chopped off.
I was in a Tourney once where Lord Numpty scooped in the Pot before it was awarded to him - wrongly. There had been THREE all-ins involved, & the Tourney had to be suspended for 45 minutes while the pot was re-constructed to everyone's satisfaction. Not an easy ask,. given that in these spots, all three players exaggarated their claimed chip stack pre-hand......
The kid got a 1 hour pernalty though, to everyone's great satisfaction. Short of total disqualification, that's the longest time-penalty at the Table I have ever seen. Quite right too. I'd have had him taken outside and shot. I think he thought he was playing pub poker, where, of course, it is the default.
Posted by Tikay10
1 hour :O longest ive seen was a 2 round sit out and that for for a villian acting out of turn 6 times.
Posted by Tikay10
Pretty much meant verbally/mentally. Oppo mucks we ought to know pot is rightfully ours. I will never show my hand at showdown unless am forced to. Countless times find selves in spot on river where we have (hero) called a bet and oppo mucks best hand, obv only realising it if cards are forced to be shown - which as we know varies from location to location.
If oppo mucks his hand we have won. Thats why I hate the rule.
Posted by AMYBR
Yeah I guessed as a seasoned live player that was what you meant.
I mean if he's mucked, you've won regardless.
Posted by Lambert180
Yeah sorry did edit.
If your hand has showdown value..well it has showdown value lol. If you muck, your hand should be dead by default. Its no different from not protecting your hand from the dealer. That responsibility falls on the individual player, just as mucking is an optional choice that ought to have a consequence. People soon learn.
I was playing a HU Hyper the other day, betting throughout the hand, then I checked to them on the river as I was playing the board and couldn't really bluff in that spot and he just open folded. Always nice when you're playing the board lol.
He ships river and I call with 2nd pr on pretty polarised board. He says "I must be beat if you call" and LITERALLY throws his hand across the table just an inch or so short of the muck.
I await for pot to be awarded by default. Happy days. Dealer retrieves his cards and plays it as a showdown. (2nd pr better kicker).
That is the extreme end obv, but countless situations like it. Plus just not wanting to show oppo/table your range unless we have to, which we comfortably oughtnt have to if oppo is bad enough to muck.
Get the rule totally as there have been bad practices on the live circuit. If only all poker players were upstanding citizens huh