Folding Aces @ NL4

The_Don90

OK i know ive included the river here but i htink that is pretty irrelevant although maybe im commited im not sure, hense why i kept it in. My main talking point here is the turn.

Reads on Villian: Hes been pretty active, lot of the limp calling stuff. Looks like a standard NL4 player. This is however the first time hes limp called v me, usually he limp folded. Then this meaty little situation arrived.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
The_Don90	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£5.35
RUDDYHUNTE	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.96
bounty62	Sit out
	Your hole cards	A A
Villian	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£2.51
chipteaser	Fold
chris1234	Fold
The_Don90	Raise		£0.18	£0.28	£5.17
RUDDYHUNTE	Fold
Villian	Call		£0.16	£0.44	£2.35
Flop
		K K Q
The_Don90	Bet		£0.33	£0.77	£4.84
Villian	Call		£0.33	£1.10	£2.02
Turn
		2
The_Don90	Bet		£0.55	£1.65	£4.29
Villian	Raise		£1.10	£2.75	£0.92
The_Don90	Call		£0.55	£3.30	£3.74
River
		Q
The_Don90	Check
Villian	All-in		£0.92	£4.22	£0.00
The_Don90	Fold
Villian	Muck
Villian	Win		£3.05		£3.05
Villian	Return		£0.92	£0.25	£3.97

KAM99

Yeah, reraise at turn at this level is nomally a really bad sign, and at the river you are beating nothing he could be reraising with other than a wierd play with some other PP. So even though getting 4:1 i think its just a waste of another quid to call it.

Pipunch

I think you played it really badly after the flop to be honest. If you're that committed you've GOT to shove for the remaining 92p at this level. If not then you should have folded after the turn re-raise. I'd pretty much put him on the house but you've got to shove or fold the reraise on the turn IMO.

Pre flop at this level against uber limpers your raise should be at least 24p too. I usually go for 32p which makes your flop bet much much bigger.

EDIT: Ok maybe once you know you're beaten on the river then maybe the fold is good at that point but i still think you shouldn't be getting to the river.

EvilPingu

I probably stick another 4p on the raise size pre, I don't think your raise size is wrong, but that extra 4p means we get an extra few pence whenever we click the 3/4 pot or pot button on later streets too so it's something to consider. Every little helps

Flop fine.

Either shove or fold turn when min-raised

As played, you're beating nothing on the river so fold is okay.

Pipunch

In revision to my last post i'd just like to add that if all your other raises are 20p then some might think that you should keep it the same size.

The thing about this at this level is that i would say 95% of people wouldn't notice anyway but all your raises should be at least 24p. I've seen people willing to limp at this level even at that which is why all my raises are between 24-36p at least.

Fabraclass

In Response to Folding Aces @ NL4:

OK i know ive included the river here but i htink that is pretty irrelevant although maybe im commited im not sure, hense why i kept it in. My main talking point here is the turn. Reads on Villian: Hes been pretty active, lot of the limp calling stuff. Looks like a standard NL4 player. This is however the first time hes limp called v me, usually he limp folded. Then this meaty little situation arrived. Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance The_Don90 Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £5.35 RUDDYHUNTE Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £1.96 bounty62 Sit out           Your hole cards A A       Villian Call   £0.04 £0.10 £2.51 chipteaser Fold         chris1234 Fold         The_Don90 Raise   £0.18 £0.28 £5.17 RUDDYHUNTE Fold         Villian Call   £0.16 £0.44 £2.35 Flop     K K Q       The_Don90 Bet   £0.33 £0.77 £4.84 Villian Call   £0.33 £1.10 £2.02 Turn     2       The_Don90 Bet   £0.55 £1.65 £4.29 Villian Raise   £1.10 £2.75 £0.92 The_Don90 Call   £0.55 £3.30 £3.74 River     Q       The_Don90 Check         Villian All-in   £0.92 £4.22 £0.00 The_Don90 Fold         Villian Muck         Villian Win   £3.05   £3.05 Villian Return   £0.92 £0.25 £3.97
Posted by The_Don90

Definite fold on river in my opinion. Could fold the turn even if player is fairly straight forward.

IDONKCALLU

its a easy fold on river imo but on the turn u call a min raise y ? if u fold on the river dnt think the queen has changed much if u called on turn gottta call river imo 

The_Don90

In Response to Re: Folding Aces @ NL4:

its a easy fold on river imo but on the turn u call a min raise y ? if u fold on the river dnt think the queen has changed much if u called on turn gottta call river imo 
Posted by IDONKCALLU

He could easily min raise a Q on turn honesty i was snapping on any non Q river. The Q changes everything even if we where good v Qx hes got there, we now only beat a bluff.

IDONKCALLU

he coulda had middle pair and hated the river so bluffed what do i know min raise = strength does look like a king 

rancid

hero fold turn )
random bads always raise with it 100%


gotta fold river

grantorino

v standard loose passive fish fold turn

Dudeskin8

I'd probably raise a bit more OOP pre but not awful.

Flop standard.

Turn minraise really is often a sign saying I have a King, just can't see a Q or similar doing the same. Sucks to fold here but I probably lean towards that option.

River now is fold but any other card would obvz be call.