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Have to stack off given previous hand?

edited May 2012 in The Poker Clinic
1st hand that i got read off
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
stokefc Small blind   £0.05 £0.05 £19.45
jams88 Big blind   £0.10 £0.15 £19.40
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • A
     
Sharpoo Raise   £0.30 £0.45 £11.40
foldemagen Call   £0.30 £0.75 £5.17
stokefc Fold        
jams88 Raise   £0.90 £1.65 £18.50
Sharpoo Call   £0.70 £2.35 £10.70
foldemagen Call   £0.70 £3.05 £4.47
Flop
   
  • 8
  • 3
  • 3
     
jams88 Bet   £1.00 £4.05 £17.50
Sharpoo Call   £1.00 £5.05 £9.70
foldemagen All-in   £4.47 £9.52 £0.00
jams88 Call   £3.47 £12.99 £14.03
Sharpoo Fold        
jams88 Show
  • A
  • A
     
foldemagen Show
  • 8
  • 9
     
Turn
   
  • 8
     
River
   
  • 7
     
foldemagen Win Full House, 8s and 3s £12.01   £12.01
this followed the next hand should i be more conservative?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
jams88 Small blind   £0.05 £0.05 £13.98
Sharpoo Big blind   £0.10 £0.15 £9.60
  Your hole cards
  • 2
  • 3
     
foldemagen Call   £0.10 £0.25 £11.91
stokefc Fold        
jams88 Call   £0.05 £0.30 £13.93
Sharpoo Check        
Flop
   
  • 2
  • 4
  • 3
     
jams88 Bet   £0.30 £0.60 £13.63
Sharpoo Call   £0.30 £0.90 £9.30
foldemagen Raise   £1.20 £2.10 £10.71
jams88 Raise   £3.90 £6.00 £9.73
Sharpoo Fold        
foldemagen All-in   £10.71 £16.71 £0.00
jams88 Call   £7.71 £24.42 £2.02
jams88 Show
  • 2
  • 3
     
foldemagen Show
  • 5
  • 6
     
Turn
   
  • J
     
River
   
  • Q
     
foldemagen Win Straight to the 6 £23.02   £23.02

Comments

  • edited May 2012
    First hand. Raise to around £1.20 with your 3bet preflop and bet more than you did on the flop. Hand ends up the same but its good to note for future referance. Don't bet light because you are trying to milk, and definately not if this is different than your normal betting pattern as a cbet. Also, not as wise with more than one in pot with you.

    Second hand. Shouldn't be in this hand at all really. Not an overly good hand as has more limited straight possibilities and you are OOP with it as well. As to if you can get away from it. Maybe not against this guy based on previous hand if thas how he plays all his paired boards. Against someonethat could play I could get off it i think as a 5bet shove is pretty strong line and there are couple of straight possibilities a higher two pair and any set beats you.

    Simple fact is avoid playing to many hands like this one as they will often get you into trouble in limped pots.
  • edited May 2012
    1st hand-vul you got it in good thats all you can do

    2nd hand- just fold pre imo, but since your in the hand anywayz just ul again buddy
  • edited May 2012
    stop overlimping in the SB, its a common leak at the micros, most people at the micro could improve their winrate by playing tighter in the blinds.
  • edited May 2012

    First hand - well played.
    I make it about £1.20 preflop, as I'm OOP, but it probably makes no difference to the result.

    Second hand - we have the worst hand, & we have the worst position. Pretty easy decision preflop (although, in-game, most people flick in the call, and don't believe them when they say they don't).
  • edited May 2012
    both ul yeah alot say fold 2nd hand but like jakally said 25p in middle and 5p to call alot would altho i wouldnt advise it just unlucky both hands not alot wrong i can see just run better 
  • edited May 2012
    1st hand bet more pre and more on the flop regardless if the same result it would improve your game.
    2nd i would call here but remember your only putting 5p in pre so if you are playing your playing this slow (And really playing for the str8 or flush not pairs) so leading out isn't great and then when the raises come in start calling or folding as you do have the worst  pair in the game. 
  • edited May 2012
    In Response to Have to stack off given previous hand?:
    1st hand that i got read off Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance stokefc Small blind   £0.05 £0.05 £19.45 jams88 Big blind   £0.10 £0.15 £19.40   Your hole cards A A       Sharpoo Raise   £0.30 £0.45 £11.40 foldemagen Call   £0.30 £0.75 £5.17 stokefc Fold         jams88 Raise   £0.90 £1.65 £18.50 Sharpoo Call   £0.70 £2.35 £10.70 foldemagen Call   £0.70 £3.05 £4.47 Flop     8 3 3       jams88 Bet   £1.00 £4.05 £17.50 Sharpoo Call   £1.00 £5.05 £9.70 foldemagen All-in   £4.47 £9.52 £0.00 jams88 Call   £3.47 £12.99 £14.03 Sharpoo Fold         jams88 Show A A       foldemagen Show 8 9       Turn     8       River     7       foldemagen Win Full House, 8s and 3s £12.01   £12.01 this followed the next hand should i be more conservative? Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance jams88 Small blind   £0.05 £0.05 £13.98 Sharpoo Big blind   £0.10 £0.15 £9.60   Your hole cards 2 3       foldemagen Call   £0.10 £0.25 £11.91 stokefc Fold         jams88 Call   £0.05 £0.30 £13.93 Sharpoo Check         Flop     2 4 3       jams88 Bet   £0.30 £0.60 £13.63 Sharpoo Call   £0.30 £0.90 £9.30 foldemagen Raise   £1.20 £2.10 £10.71 jams88 Raise   £3.90 £6.00 £9.73 Sharpoo Fold         foldemagen All-in   £10.71 £16.71 £0.00 jams88 Call   £7.71 £24.42 £2.02 jams88 Show 2 3       foldemagen Show 5 6       Turn     J       River     Q       foldemagen Win Straight to the 6 £23.02   £23.02
    Posted by jams88
    I would fold pre mate without a second taught. Only hands I ll make up SB with are suited aces, and kings, suited connectors, aces and kings with good kickers, small  and medium pocket pairs.

    Very important factor to consider when deciding if it will be good to get  hands in is the size of the pot in relation to stack sizes.Or stack to pot ration as the cool kids like to say. I n 3 bet pots you can get your money in slightly lighter then in single raised pots. In single raised pots you can get your money in lighter then limped pots. The number of players in the pot and reads are also important.

    First hands fine mate. In second hand I would flat their flop raise and leave them do the betting for me on turn and river. They are very likely to keep betting with weaker hands and maybe even bluffs aswell. And if my hands turns into a full house.will raise turn or river and look to get all the money in

    The reason I would play the hand as described above are as follows.

    1 To pot control. Very dangerous board so many hands beat you.

    2 To keep in bluffs.

    3 Leave them value bet weaker hands.

    Your hand value doest warrant getting all your chips in, in a limped pot Even against a loose opponent in my opinion. Or a single raised pot against the vast majority of players. However you could get it allin for 100 bbs in a 3 bet pot against almost all players.

    GL.













  • edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Have to stack off given previous hand?:
    Second hand - we have the worst hand, & we have the worst position. Pretty easy decision preflop (although, in-game, most people flick in the call, and don't believe them when they say they don't).
    Posted by jakally
    Big +1 to this.

    People think "It's only 5p more" so much of the time, but as you can see from the hand, that 5p mistake has actually cost you just under £12.
  • edited May 2012
    Hand1

    Raise more pre

    Bet flop bigger 

    Hand 2

    Fold pre

    Post flop fine
  • edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Have to stack off given previous hand?:
    In Response to Re: Have to stack off given previous hand? : Big +1 to this. People think "It's only 5p more" so much of the time, but as you can see from the hand, that 5p mistake has actually cost you just under £12.
    Posted by EvilPingu
    Yeah 5p seems small, but if you did it every orbit you tossing away 90p an hour, and that hurts for the amount of times you'll end up the winner OP with trash hands.
  • edited May 2012
    Geez only one thing to say about oppo "Ren Butter"
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