Spiritual Poker?

WHOAMI196

Can i just add regarding the spirituality aspect, its very bad when someone like that idiot Derrek accurah, profiting from what he does. Its disgusting the claim he made recently, apparently he had spoken to some dead dude and was told that Maddie Mcann was "no longer with us", fkn B*****d, you should not take away someone's hope away from them, even if the mcanns does not believe his Bull****.

I watched a good documentary with louis theroux in America regarding faith healers, also Darren Brown made superb experiment on the same subject, it involved teaching an "average joe" in becoming a faith healer in America, worth watching! It shows the evil side to Faith, the money laundering was ridiculous, these so called "faith healers" were literally multi millionaire's through their scamming rituals.

unknown_username

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In Response to Re: Spiritual Poker? : I'm not sure if it ever was a necessity tbh, the Greek astronomers, i think, based their assumptions around the premise of their religious beliefs and the rest of the communicative world listened, and believed in them, the more religion was preached the more it gave people a meaning to life maybe? and of course an easier understanding of what's around them, but still that's a want imo. For a person to need something then he/she cant do without this necessity, i mean where does the need for an easier understanding of everything fit in?  Religion has always been important for human evolution though, i will admit this, the bible for instance has been a valuable tool towards the English literature as we know it today, also it has brought forward skeptics to question its authenticity of the claims within it that has led to greater understanding of our world, perhaps it sped up our intellectual evolution! not sure where we would be without it tbh! OK so there may be a time where there was a fine line with need and a want for religion, perhaps you where right with your comment? idk, but it cant be said for the modern day surely!   
Posted by WHOAMI196

I have to disagree with your stance on need and want.

(There was a radio 4 programme on just this subject  a few days ago). 

The belief in a supreme being pre-dates the Greeks and can be found all over the world in one form or another. One explanation is that human beings are hard wired as infants to depend on adults and this dependency stays with us as adults to one degree or another. The ancient world would have been a scary place and the lack of understanding of natural phenomena such as earthquakes etc would bring about the need to rely on a superior being to protect them. 

The educated brain of an adult is a development of the child's brain with the early life needs and fears of the child still in place. Knowledge and understanding enhance and modify, but never replace, those childhood needs. When a child needs feeding or nurturing they are not wants but needs and that applies equally in the ancient world and the modern world.

The need for a benevolent superior is there in all of us. It may be suppressed and diminished by education but it is always there. It usually takes a significant happening to bring it forth but it is there in all of us....... even you.

 

oynutter

If there is a god, then god put the planet in the perfect orbit around the sun-- This means god created the universe, which in turn means he created the big bang, and probably blew himself up---so there!

GELDY

Need or want? Isn't this just picking hairs? Doesn't a strong "want" become a need.

Is the question, or at least one of the questions in this very inquisitive thread, really about "has the lot of mankind changed sufficiently so that a historic need/want is no longer required. Modern Science can clearly replace a lot of the need/want of understanding that we might have that religion previously provided. We now have a much better idea of why the seasons change, why this year's harvest failed etc. But even with that we can see society crumbling in places - the riots - Friday night binge drinking ..... So clearly Science on it's own is not yet sufficient to deliver a future Utopia, as the increasingly debauched nature of elements of our society are heading in a very different direction.

So not sure I buy into the need/want of a benevolent superior, but certainly society needs a stronger moral compass than it currently has, and where is it going to come from? 

AMYBR

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Can i just add regarding the spirituality aspect, its very bad when someone like that idiot Derrek accurah, profiting from what he does. Its disgusting the claim he made recently, apparently he had spoken to some dead dude and was told that Maddie Mcann was "no longer with us", fkn B*****d, you should not take away someone's hope away from them, even if the mcanns does not believe his Bull****. I watched a good documentary with louis theroux in America regarding faith healers, also Darren Brown made superb experiment on the same subject, it involved teaching an "average joe" in becoming a faith healer in America, worth watching! It shows the evil side to Faith, the money laundering was ridiculous, these so called "faith healers" were literally multi millionaire's through their scamming rituals.
Posted by WHOAMI196

That was the first Darren Brown show I saw and I was very impresses (but then - for me - he lost all credibility with his roulette one).

Dont get me started on Derrick Accurah.  As said purely evil man with a personality Disorder.  Am Irish and a qualified Mental Health Nurse.  He was biggish on Tv in ireland before the rest of great britain had to suffer him.  My 2 favourites were when he claimed on live tv that many Mental health hospitals in the world were now being closed as many patients previously diagnosed with schizophrenia had been released due to practioners realising they were infact mediums...............  And a very cruel yes man philosophy presented as fact concerning the spirits of children that had passed over, delivered to grieving parents.

Oh and the whole ghost of an alien malarky.  Proved fraudster and just an evil desperate human being.  Him and Uri geller should be dropped in a hole and shot.

Back on point though :  Yes religion has done alot of harm and continues to do so.  IMO religion is purely a man made agenda that has NOTHING to do with spirituality.  I had faith/belief in nothing for 2/3's of my life until I had an ickle epiphany and seperated the two concepts.  Faith/belief was always something uncomrehensible and intangible until I had it.  Something that I often mocked myself, purely through not understanding it/having no appreciation of it it.  Think I was a bit jealous also as my rational mind used to tear itself to shreds.  I think, for most people, faith/belief is something you are born with (god module) or something you hedge your bets with late in life.  But I remember the instant that my scientific understanding of the universe lead to a very personal belief system and am grateful for it. (But in essence it was an active choice.)

Oh and when I say personal belief system I do not mean a personal relationship.  I think our thoughts probably run along the same lines about a perceived "personal" relationship with any real or potential creator

oynutter

 I have just been through a deeply religious experience and now agree with Stewart Lee who say's that something as beautiful, and complex, and intricate as Richard Dawkins could not have evolved by itself, and must have been put on the planet by God, to test us,---------- like fossils--- and facts.

unknown_username

In Response to Re: Spiritual Poker?:

In Response to Re: Spiritual Poker? : I have to disagree with your stance on need and want. (There was a radio 4 programme on just this subject  a few days ago).  The belief in a supreme being pre-dates the Greeks and can be found all over the world in one form or another. One explanation is that human beings are hard wired as infants to depend on adults and this dependency stays with us as adults to one degree or another. The ancient world would have been a scary place and the lack of understanding of natural phenomena such as earthquakes etc would bring about the need to rely on a superior being to protect them.  The educated brain of an adult is a development of the child's brain with the early life needs and fears of the child still in place. Knowledge and understanding enhance and modify, but never replace, those childhood needs. When a child needs feeding or nurturing they are not wants but needs and that applies equally in the ancient world and the modern world. The need for a benevolent superior is there in all of us. It may be suppressed and diminished by education but it is always there. It usually takes a significant happening to bring it forth but it is there in all of us....... even you.  
Posted by elsadog

Well put elsadog...I tend to agree with this statement too but maybe all of our faiths tend to stem from this lack of understanding/ need to know more. Cheers

percival09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xle4r3WpQaI

I think this is a good video, and if you watch from 10:00 onwards it might be interesting for anybody

oynutter

It might also be a complete load of gobbledegook!

GaryQQQ

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xle4r3WpQaI I think this is a good video, and if you watch from 10:00 onwards it might be interesting for anybody
Posted by percival09

I don't see any connection between this thread and 'General Poker Chat' anymore. If you want to peddle this sort of crackpot stuff you should be doing it in The Shed or Area51.

oynutter

 It's a bit racist to call it crackpot stuff just because it's some American nutcase selling books---- Oh no sorry---- Racism is something different, I was thinking of anti-americanism, which is'nt racist, because they are a bunch of crackpots, selling books.

percival09

I didn't know a thread which you don't HAVE to contribute to or EVEN read would effect somebody so much. Sorry for ruining your day

oynutter

Please Mr sky boss, could we have a link from the forum posts to our player notes?