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Master Cash - Make your Play. (3)

edited November 2009 in Poker Chat

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Use this Thread & Poll to make your play.

Players 6. Blinds £1 £2. We have £200. Our hand is Ks Qs. We are in the BB.

SB makes it £7

We Re-Raise to £20. SB Calls.

Flop = Kc, 10s, 3c

Pot is now £40.

Villain now CHECKS.

Do we.....

a) Bet £38

b) Bet £20.

c) Check?

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  • edited November 2009
    OK so I dont usually play cash and if I do its certainly not at this level but my vote goes to b) bet £20. 

    I have top pair with a reasonable kicker and there is a possibility that the villain is on a flush draw so I need to put a bet it and make him pay if he is on a draw.  Its also possible that he has a smaller pocket pair and has missed completely and will fold to any bet.
  • edited November 2009
    i bet top pair against a club drawing board dont think checking is a viable option
  • edited November 2009
    Bet £38ish Try and kill the hand there, stop any draws, HU hitting top pair 2nd best kicker is a big hand but flush and straight draws out there, so if he wants to draw make him pay
  • edited November 2009
    Bet £38

    It loooks like he was simply trying to blind steal but must have had at least something to call your PF raise. The T on the board is the scary card - leads to too many straight possibilities. Couple this with the two clubs and your hand is vulnerable so you have to make the villain pay for any draw.
    Betting £20 gives the villain 3:1 to hit his hand so would, with implied odds, give him the odds for the flush or straight draws (QJ is well within his range). If it is correct for the villain to call, clearly £20 is not big enough to bet.

    If you bet £38 and run into AA, AK, KT, TT or 33 then you'll find out when he shoves on you!
  • edited November 2009
    Bet £38 (near enough pot). I have shown strength pre and now need to continue post.  There are many draws there and a check / half pot bet prices them in. I am therefore quite happy to bet pot and take hand down  there and then.
  • edited November 2009
      I said bet 38.  We have the betting lead and have hit top pair with a good kicker.  Hand ranges for the SB are quite wide as he put in a small raise and then flatted the reraise. Reasonably safe to assume we are ahead so a good size bet would probably take the pot down now and if not we have a good enough hand to play deeper into the streets
  • edited November 2009
    Im ahppy to take the pot down here and now, so would ouf of those options bet £38, but in relaity would maybe be a little more than that
  • edited November 2009
    personally i could be way off here but i think villain is slowing down with a massive hand here, i think the hand with kq will check because like me he has realised he is up against a big hand? time will tell
  • edited November 2009
    its defo push all in
  • edited November 2009
    bet £20.I am only really scared of AK at this point and will fold to a raise,but 20 is enough to get a fold from a drawing hand
  • edited November 2009
    mmmmmmmmmm missed that option?? better eyes than me irish lol
  • edited November 2009
    I would bet £20.00 to build the pot with top pair and a decent kicker.
    If I get a big re-raise I can get out of the hand without to much damage to my stack.
    The opponent could easily have A's, K's T's 3's or K T and be looking for the continuation bet to pounce with a big bet.
    The call of the re-raise could be made with a monster hand or with a weak hand. A re-raise after a bet on the flop would give you the answer.
  • edited November 2009
    Have a feeling a bluff :)
  • edited November 2009
    I chose bet £38 because that was the highest value their. Personally just like make your play 1 and 2 im all in again because im mad
  • edited November 2009
    In Response to Master Cash - Make your Play. (3):
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    The caller probably has Ax or a pocket pair. therefore you are probably winning. However there is a slight chance he has AK or even made trips wth his PP. Therefore he goes all in in reply I would think about folding.
  • edited November 2009
    I bet the pot to not give the odds to the drawing hands and try to close it down  here and now so no ace appears and makes me lay my hand down to a huge bet. his raise indicates a big hand but that could just as easy be a j , aq (and sometimes due to position a 10) also possible underpairs of jj qq. from an assumed range we are behind to ak (less likley than one of the other hands due to us holding a king and one being on the board) aa, or trips.
  • edited November 2009
    You have the impetus in the hand here from the pre re raise. The sb didn't 4 bet you - then he checks the flop. Check is a definite no no and personally think £20 looks slightly weak and will invite the sb to come back over the top. You have top pair and the momentum, so I'd bet the pot here for sure.
  • edited November 2009
    i swear your meant to check so you can hack in your opponent so you can try to build up the pot slowly
  • edited November 2009
    I'd bet £20, 2/3rds pot to extract value from draws. I'd be stacking off here as well if he reraises.
  • edited November 2009
    In Response to Re: Master Cash - Make your Play. (3):
    Bet £38 (near enough pot). I have shown strength pre and now need to continue post.  There are many draws there and a check / half pot bet prices them in. I am therefore quite happy to bet pot and take hand down  there and then.
    Posted by phil12uk
    + 1

  • edited November 2009
    Betting £20 should get draws to fold and AK to raise.
    but alot of people see half pot bets as weak and will 3 bet leaving you with a decision
    and draws always seem to call this also!
    So I bet £38 to make decisions easy.
  • edited November 2009

    Checking suggests a possible flush draw or trips but as I have top pair I would definitely fire out a strong bet. If a re-raise follows greater then half my stack I would then fold.

    Strong bet Marrrster.

  • edited November 2009
    In Response to Re: Master Cash - Make your Play. (3):
    mmmmmmmmmm missed that option?? better eyes than me irish lol
    Posted by webby234
     its my option lol
  • edited November 2009
    Hi Guys,
    I don't play a lot of cash but if we bet £20 aren't we giving anyone on a flush draw the odds to call, therefore if your looking to win the hand there and then, a bet of £38 is the way to go.

    col
  • edited November 2009
    i am checking if the turn doesnt come a club and they bet then im raising all in if they check the turn to me with no club i bet big and if they want to chase make them pay for it
  • edited November 2009
    +1 for c-bet £20 (even though thats probably not the sizing I would pick tis the closest).

    btw why does everyone want worse top pair to fold? SO they don't make 2p? Thats kind of a bad mindset.
  • edited November 2009
    bet 28. shove over any raise
  • edited November 2009

    It's impossible to say the correct way to play a particular hand as we have not got any idea on game flow or the way the opponent plays. some people are extreme nits and only call a 3bet with 1% of their range (QQ+,AK) where as extreme loose players call with 50% of their range.

    In this case i would bet 38 pounds as i would do that with almost 100% of my range as i have position and the betting lead. (at the 1-2 level you have to keep your made hands and bluffs balanced otherwise you might aswell play with your cards face up.)



  • edited November 2009
    In Response to Re: Master Cash - Make your Play. (3):
    It's impossible to say the correct way to play a particular hand as we have not got any idea on game flow or the way the opponent plays. some people are extreme nits and only call a 3bet with 1% of their range (QQ+,AK) where as extreme loose players call with 50% of their range. In this case i would bet 38 pounds as i would do that with almost 100% of my range as i have position and the betting lead. (at the 1-2 level you have to keep your made hands and bluffs balanced otherwise you might aswell play with your cards face up.)
    Posted by DeuceAK-47
    I would balance my range @ 2/3 pot rather than a PSB.
  • edited November 2009
    In Response to Re: Master Cash - Make your Play. (3):
    In Response to Re: Master Cash - Make your Play. (3) : I would balance my range @ 2/3 pot rather than a PSB.
    Posted by LadyFingrs

    True,i guess i would 2/3 pot usually but that option was not there lol,so i decided to go for strength with a full size pot bet instead of a weakish half pot bet.

    There probably could be a arguement to any of the plays offered as we have not got enough information about the hand.(does not even state if are opponent is sitting with a full stack.)
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