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can anyone help plz!
playing last night and this hand bugged me a bit, its not because i lost it although it has highlighted my lack of understanding of the game at this level.the hand in question is not i repeat not a bad beat story but i want to understand the thinking of my opponent.
on the table about 20 mins and at first the player in question was not sat down (if he had i wouldnt have sat with him). pre flop is standard (i think) it was the flop play i dont understand.
was i right to open on the flop on this board? the main question i guess is the re raise from "said" player, is it to commit himself and me to getting it in here?. with his hand i wouldnt play it like he did and considering he is probably the best player on sky (sorry if i offend anyone with that statement) i would like to understand his thinking so i can adapt my own game. playing with really really good players is great, only if you understand what and why they do certain things. cheers phil
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If I was you I would 3bet a bit more, to 9 or 10 or 11..not a big deal though. Your cbet is too big, half pot is pretty standard and best.
Rest of hand looks pretty standard. Hes flopped pretty good with 9t, what else is he suppose to do in a 3bet pot, just call and only win when he hits?...Raise will/could take you off hands like ak, aq, 99, tt, air etc. May even take you off hands like jq, jk, qq!....some nits out there. He would prob play a set the exact same way.
I dont think a fold is ever an option for him, why would he bother calling your 3bet with 9t just to fold when he hits the flop?, especially when most players will cbet 100% of the time.
Maybe he could have just called flop and tried to take it off you if you checked.
You played fine just ran into someone abit spewy tbh .
You could fold but long run your winning from here.
As your question seems to be more about his thought process than yours its tough to answer. Certainly if he has you on AA he doesn't do this, but equally its not a bad play against the possible range of hands you might have 3bet pre-flop with. He stands a chance of making you fold a few of them on the flop, and maybe mroe than a few if he thinks you may laydown some strong hands to a reraise on the flop.
He can get away with this sometimes and take the pot on the flop, and in worst case and you do shove with an overpair he does have to call due to being pot commit, but will have outs against any hand you currently hold. Either his straight or even possible backdoor flush.
So that is what he was likely thinking with his reraise on the flop that either he wins it there against some hands, or at worst has outs to win against whatever you have if you shove.
Such a standard hand TBH. You played it fine, he played it fine.
kam99 and spad3s posts sum it up really. He is obv never folding and if he calls he has to hit to win the hand. Raising here may take it down against other hands you may 3bet with (AK, AQ, A10, QJ, KJ, 99, 1010 suited connectors and complete bluffs). He'll be doing this with the intention of calling of a shove as he is pot commited and has outs.
Also when you say he wouldn't raise with a set here, he would. If he is going to raise here with a semi bluff or a complete bluff, he will also raise with very strong hands like sets as to balance his range. It wouldn't make much sense to raise with a semi bluff and flat call with a set, as he will be losing value and would become very readable to you.
So on a whole I would't worry at all about this hand, you and the villian both played it well.
Strip the hand to the bones. He opens and flats a sizeable 3bet pre.
You vb and he commits himself, you then put him in as 64% fav (at worst) and he gets there.
Respect that you think oppo is a great player, but this is pretty darn spewy. Obv 8sJh2s play is diff but oppo gets it in as a big dog here.
Have more confidence in yourself bud. YOU get this player who you think is creme de la creme AIOF as a 2/3 dog :P
oppo is likely multi tabling, if calling 3bet pre and connecting like this think it is justifiable playing hand this way, vs obv certain ranges. Its just an obv perceived equity line
Forget reads for sets as we arent folding here 100bbs deep..like ever even vs feared players, perhaps even more so.
Obv making money here over volume, even the best spew