Sat for roller what to do on this turn

Batkin88

I open min as in C/O and happy playing posistion with the stack and players at table as often as possible. I don't like the 2 callers but hit middle of the flop on a pretty dry board, so my thinking is a c-bet is only really getting called by a jack or 78, 89 type of hand and pairs in between i.e. 99 TT.
I c-bet and get a call from the BB who has a wide range for calling pre as getting priced in. Then the turn comes but brings an unexpected flush draw and an ace which I feel I can rep! But my stack size is awkward in comparison to the pot. I now think i'm behind but have outs and I think he has atleast a jack here what would you do????
Can I shove here? (First instinct was to shove) Can I bet and fold? Or should i check and give up to a non club or 8 river?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
johnreid	Small blind		75.00	75.00	2225.00
petebryn	Big blind		150.00	225.00	3250.00
	Your hole cards	Q 8
ed897	Fold
mike1975	Fold
Batkin88	Raise		300.00	525.00	2980.00
boby54	Fold
johnreid	Call		225.00	750.00	2000.00
petebryn	Call		150.00	900.00	3100.00
Flop
		J 3 8
johnreid	Check
petebryn	Check
Batkin88	Bet		488.00	1388.00	2492.00
johnreid	Fold
petebryn	Call		488.00	1876.00	2612.00
Turn
		A
petebryn	Check
Batkin88?

DOHHHHHHH

Anything but bet/fold!

Check back, or bet/call if you think he can sometimes fold Jx

Sizes are awkward and if you shove, some people will say "it looks like what it is", if you make it 1.4k people will say "you might as well shove".

mehhh I'd b/c 1,456.78

EvilPingu

Bet 900-950 and call a shove.

Batkin88

if i bet 900 what if he calls??
And I think I am behind so don't want to induce a shove with a weak bet

EvilPingu

In Response to Re: Sat for roller what to do on this turn:

if i bet 900 what if he calls?? And I think I am behind so don't want to induce a shove with a weak bet
Posted by Batkin88

Just noticed you also have a pair of 8s, thought you just had Queen high and a flush draw before, and had to get the opponent to fold to win the pot... Epic fail!

Okay, I think I check it back, actually. Our pair of 8s might be the best hand, but we're never going to get 2 streets called by worse, so we have showdown value with no value in betting. If our hand is behind at the moment, we can still hit our draw.

It's the best card in the deck for you to fire a second barrel, but the stack size makes this awkward. If we've just got Queen high (which I thought before) then I think we have to bet the turn as we'll get a lot of folds from hands which beat us, but as we have showdown value, I don't mind checking it back and getting to showdown as cheaply as possible, and value betting if we hit our draw on the river.

AMYBR

If we b/c we are definitively only getting it in vs better, albeit with plenty of equity.

Its a sat and our stack is pretty nicely set up for 3bet shoves/ open shoves if this particular hand goes south.  Stack sizes are tricky here, I think I opt for free card & showdown value over trying to force it through.

GELDY

fold pre - it's a sat and you are not stacked for dribbling away your chips. You are lucky to have position but your hand is still pretty weak.

KAM99

Check back the turn. You have showdown value with your 8 currently, and so want to get to a cheap showdown. Also saves getting shoved on, which might happen. If he bets the river its call or fold depending how big the bet is, as its quite possible he has the jack at this point. Obviously if you hit your flush this is good as he may well lead out the river even if it hits, and if he doesn't he is unlikely to credit you for it if you value bet it if he was to check the river.

Batkin88

In Response to Re: Sat for roller what to do on this turn:

fold pre - it's a sat and you are not stacked for dribbling away your chips. You are lucky to have position but your hand is still pretty weak.
Posted by GELDY

How am I lucky to have posistion? I am not opening this hand anywhere but C.O or dealer button.



In regards to the post thanks everyone I decided I would try and rep c betting with nothing and spiking the ace and shoving quickly as overexcited knowing I have enough outs if called. It got through and looking back I agree with the checking it back but don't think I have any showdown value as I am 98.8752424% he has a jack

GELDY

In Response to Re: Sat for roller what to do on this turn:

In Response to Re: Sat for roller what to do on this turn : How am I lucky to have posistion? Posted by Batkin88

Sorry - I meant at least you have position - no luck about it - still it's a bit of a loose play in my opinion unless you are planning to bluff the flop - but i'm still learning and maybe i'm just too tight

JAM888

I would fold it pre as this is a sat, and i would be looking to conserve my stack and not get in sticky spots unnessasarily, your playing this hand like your in a cash game imo, 30bb q8 relatively early in sat, not for me!

grantorino

I would generally fold pre this shallow, obv opening can be fine

Why do you think you are behind on turn? If so why bet flop? I b/c turn, about 1100

rancid

bet on flop is fine for take down of pot with a vulernable pair

check turn, only hand types your ahead of is 910,7's<

check turn, anything else is probbaly a bluff, but u do have fd so a free card is nice
don't think semi bluff is bad but your not that deep so free card is good

ps. do you only ever have AA 3 handed gg

Batkin88

In Response to Re: Sat for roller what to do on this turn:

I would generally fold pre this shallow, obv opening can be fine Why do you think you are behind on turn? If so why bet flop? I b/c turn, about 1100
Posted by grantorino

The reasoning why I think I'm behind is that on such a dry flop 3 way and considering stack sizes I am only getting called on the  flop by 88 99 TT or a hand with a jack in it IMO so I once called I was praying for an ace of any suit really or another 8 .