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ALL IN AS A SHORT STACK - DO YOU HAVE A FAIR CHANCE?
Not sure if a moderator will take a disliking to this thread, but what are people's thoughts on the theory that some online sites, and specifically the one I will just refer to as the big one is 'rigged' in a specific way so that in MTT's short stacks lose all ins more often that they should do based on their equity and odds vs their opponents holding at the time of getting it all in (the theory being that this speeds up the tournaments and gets those players out and paying rake on the next tournment entry quicker)?
Before anybody starts directing any abuse at me and calling me a paranoid idiot etc I would like to point out I am by nature a very rationally minded and skeptical person, and I always aproach any kind of 'conspiracy theory' from this mindset and do not believe anything for which sufficient evidence cannot be provided.
But I have seen some things playing these huge MTT's that has been messing with my head (sp many ridiculous river beats favouring the big stack, big stacks hitting their one outers so many times and the feelng of just knowing my pocket Aces are gonna get cracked to whatever big stack calls my pre flop all in).
One of the reasons why I like playing on Sky is that because of its visibility with the TV Channel I tend to have 100% confidence in it - and could of course never imagine dear old Tikay would be involved with a site that is doing anything that's not 100% fair and genuine!
What I would really like is for someone to be able to relieve me of my skepticism over others sites, because it sure ruins your enjoyment of playing an MTT when you are cursed with that nagging thought in the back of your head that the site is gonna see to it you are busted and there's nothing you can do about it (I don't want to believe this as a way to avoid responsibility for my exit, I want to know with 100% confidence that I am playing genuine odds and concentrate on making the best decisions based on my equity etc in circumstances which I know are fair with a genuine RNG).
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Most Thread were closed down because the words cheating and manipulation were used against this site. What I personally glean from reading these threads was, that the RNG was not the best in the World or the most up to date in the latest technology, that it can be tweaked, when certain patterns pop up ; like AA always losing to 7-2 or other combinations. This is my view, and in my view any tweaking is done to keep players working out the combinations thus keeping it fair as physically possible for all players. Also the overall opinion was ...................
1. If you do not trust the site to be honest and fair. Don't Play.
2. If you think that the RNG is manipulated in the way you suggest to be unfair Then don't Play.
3. If you cant handle Variance. Don't Play.
4. If you can't afford to lose your Money. Don't Play.
We have all harboured these thoughts at some time when we've played it perfect and the miracle one outer appears to knock us out. Also I found it very difficult to get rid of the short stack who keeps on doubling up. ? But when I'm short stack.! Mmm I see what you mean.?
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When we are short and get our chips in (ahead or behind) we think nothing of it when we win. Equally, this is the case when we see someone else at the table is in this situation. However, when we get our chips in good and lose we feel a certain sense of injustice, some more than others. Thats a fact. Everyone does it, its human nature. What is also in our nature is to notice and remember the hands when we or someone else got our/there money in ahead and lost. Everyone can remember there worst beat/biggest cooler but would struggle to recall the time when they one outerd someone. Simply, its human nature, we can't help it.
I'm going slightly of topic so back to your point. I think its simply due to the fact that 'short stacks' are all in on a regular basis and often with marginal/weak holdings, which will lead to lighter calls, therefore we are going to see are large number of 60/40 and standard flip hands.
On your point regarding a 'genuine' RNG, I'm not sure one can ever exist. IMO an RNG can never be truly random.
and i give you a quid for every one that states"the big stack always seems to win"
we would be pretty even imo
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you geddit ?
there's a moon?
but...
the better player will generally have a bigger stack more often. so i think there will be a slight skew towards the big stack/better player.
other stats...
in a 500 runner tournament there will be 499 players exiting in a showdown and on each and every occasion they will exit when they are the shorter stack.
it's not a surprise that people see this correlation but it is a surprise that people turn it around and see something else.
Well when you put it like that, it makes sense... my brain can cope with that. Thanks Aussie.
lol... so funny oopnorth
so short stacks have only a short life expectancy, unless you run like god
why do I visist Area 51
(Unless you run like I have been lately and flop the nuts as the shorty and end up chopping 3way on the river :P)
short stacked (but with enough to keep me in the game) went All-in with AK suited - called by the chip leader with 8-2.
Flop: 6-7-9 Turn: 5
Happens over and over again on this site - but, what really bugs me is the muppets that call with such rubbish and get rewarded.
RNG:
What RNG?
dont tell me - pure coincidence. lol, what do you expect the rng to do? well, I know its a bit radical but I thought maybe mmm..... generate random cards!
No the stats arent pure coincidence. The odds of any specific board will be very low, but he has quite a good chance of beating you when money goes in pre, prob better than 1/3 , find a poker odds calculator if you want exact figures
THings that have a small chance happen sometimes. Preflop in poker you are rarely better than 80%, you are often a lot less, so the worst hand will improve to win quite a lot
gl
My guess..... he was big blind and you you had so few chips he had to call. It's just poker, stop crying about it, move on to the next one and run better!
jeez - there are none so blind.
We've all done it with a big stack. Called the shorty with any 2 cards and won. You barely remember it if you win or lose because it does little damage or benefit to your chip stack.
But when you've sat hanging on with your short stack, get your chips in with a good starting hand and get busted on the river (it's alwyas the river?) it hurts and you remember it more.
You notice it more even when your not involved in the hand, maybe because you feel sorry for the poor bloke or just glad it wasn't you.
If you believe it's rigged on that site don't play there and spend more time on sky poker. That sort of thing never happens here.
All-in with 5-2.Flop: 3-4-6What’s the odds all you experts? And…….. Why would you go AL with 5-2.