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Was this a good shove and just a bad call
Hi all
I have not really been playing for all that long and am just starting to study the game, would love for all the help I could get really. The guy in this hand had been raising the button alot and then pot betting the turn. Previously when he done this I raised and he snap folded. I was just wondering due to my read was this a good shove and a really bad call? Thanks
I have not really been playing for all that long and am just starting to study the game, would love for all the help I could get really. The guy in this hand had been raising the button alot and then pot betting the turn. Previously when he done this I raised and he snap folded. I was just wondering due to my read was this a good shove and a really bad call? Thanks
| ineedapea | Small blind | 100.00 | 100.00 | 11400.00 | |
| jackAherts | Big blind | 200.00 | 300.00 | 10957.50 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| millk | Fold | ||||
| *** | Raise | 600.00 | 900.00 | 4687.50 | |
| ineedapea | Fold | ||||
| jackAherts | Call | 400.00 | 1300.00 | 10557.50 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| jackAherts | Check | ||||
| *** | Bet | 1300.00 | 2600.00 | 3387.50 | |
| jackAherts | All-in | 10557.50 | 13157.50 | 0.00 | |
| *** | All-in | 3387.50 | 16545.00 | 0.00 | |
| jackAherts | Unmatched bet | 5870.00 | 10675.00 | 5870.00 | |
| jackAherts | Show |
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| *** | Show |
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| Turn | |||||
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| River | |||||
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| *** | Win | Three 10s | 10675.00 | 10675.00 | |
Comments
Where to start..
Well thats constructive.....thought this was the place to come for help, obviously not...
I just thought as he was stealing my blind everytime and putting a continuation pot bet everytime on the flop and then folding to a raise I would call and see the flop to see what he would do. I dont normally get involved in spots like this but he was constantly doing it, I thought that due to my read this was a good place to gain some chips, so what do you think made him call with k high and no draw?
Generally cba to give pointers on this hand as played, but happy to dispense some general advice which is as follows-
You need to be aware of your perception to other players. You have a called a 3x raise oop with junk, this shows me (and your opponents) you probably play most hands and can therefore have pretty much any 2 post flop. This means your bluffs are not as credible. Therefore no this is a good call, assuming the opponent based it on his notes of your play.
Best of luck going forward darling. x
You say he has been stealing your blinds alot and that is what has caused you to do this, there are far better ways of countering this player. You can either wait for a decentish hand and shove it pre and hope for a call from tripe like KT or you can play back at him (Like you attempted). Your reads are clearly correct but you need to consider stack sizes when making this type of bluff. Personally I would 3 bet this hand pre quite small to about 1300, if he shoves insta fold but if he calls which is most likely for a player like this you now have initiative and can c-bet most flops and make him fold. His call isn't good but you cannot think like that, you need to realise what you could do to play this hand better and not what the villain could do.
Going back to stacksizes he has 3x pre and then pot with aboout 65% behind, a player of this calibre is never folding so it isn't a good shove with 8 high.
keep posting gl
Hi Batkin
Many thanks for your help and to all above that have give me constructive help about my play, I understand I am not up to the standard of play as you guys but that is why I am here and asking for all the help I can get. I have noticed that even on this forum some are not as helpful as others but cheers guys for all the help and hopefully you will be willing to help me some more in the near future with my game
Putting 'darling' and a kiss at the end is rude and derogative, very childish. But you are probably use to being an arrogant 'big man' and getting your own way so why would we expect different?
If oppo been raising btn 3x and c betting pot size alot then it's a great way to win chips
oppo call is just like lolz, obviously thinks you have draw so maybe not a great move versus this player
Think most are missing the point, poster made a plan pre to shove on c bet so.... hats off
The 1st post was on my phone and there was a paragraph underneath that didn't post.
I offer my opinion and advice to the best of my experience and logic, people can take it or leave it and you aren't required to go around policing the forums. If some of my posts go over your head that's understandable but to say they are pointless is questionable.
If you took the time to disect my 2nd post purely for its analytical merit you might realise it has some credibility. I've discarded all of the issues of the hand because it is far more important that op starts thinking about his game as a whole rather than this spot in isolation. So go back and re read it and use it for what it's worth.
Why is it that people automatically assume anyone who posts is a superior player to the villain they post about, this clearly can't be the case everytime
However, you did have that as a plan.......so fair play. Mind what will other players think of you shoving in future? "Aaaaah here come 86o again"...just a thought mate as good players try to find out what ranges you play or call with and also what you shove with. Good luck with your poker...
Thanks for all the help guys, to be honest I had not been playing many hands and had been playing pretty tight. It is not a move I would usually make here with complete air and not a hand I would call a raise with oop, but as I had a fairly good read on the player I knew exactly what he would do if he missed the flop. I didnt think it was a terrible move just unfortunate to get the bad call with king high....but I know nothing lol
I don't understand people you go into a hand pre flop with a 'plan'. When we play through a hand against one or more opponents, we react to the board texture and what our opponents do. Thinking ahead in a hand is a must, i.e deciding to B/F a river before we bet or what turn cards we are going to continue barrelling on when we are bluffing, however this is reacting to what is presented to us, whereas the above is just making stuborn decision blind IMO.
Look we're all chuffed to bits that you are on a heater and doing well in your mtt's, but I think you are getting a bit ahead of yourself here.