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Why folding is the key to winning deepstacks...
WD all who cashed.. another fantastic 22 deepie played in a great spirit as usual.
here was a fold i made early on...
followed by the result...
Apologies in advance for blatant brag...
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here was a fold i made early on...
followed by the result...
Apologies in advance for blatant brag...
| mabsue | Small blind | 30.00 | 30.00 | 3640.00 | |
| posh92 | Big blind | 60.00 | 90.00 | 6347.50 | |
| Your hole cards |
| ||||
| ctbn | Fold | ||||
| SoLack | Fold | ||||
| GREGHOGG | Raise | 180.00 | 270.00 | 5075.00 | |
| mabsue | Call | 150.00 | 420.00 | 3490.00 | |
| posh92 | Fold | ||||
| Flop | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| |||||
| mabsue | Bet | 120.00 | 540.00 | 3370.00 | |
| GREGHOGG | Raise | 420.00 | 960.00 | 4655.00 | |
| mabsue | Call | 300.00 | 1260.00 | 3070.00 | |
| Turn | |||||
| |||||
| mabsue | All-in | 3070.00 | 4330.00 | 0.00 | |
| GREGHOGG | Fold | ||||
| mabsue | Show |
| |||
| mabsue | Win | 4330.00 | 4330.00 | ||
| GREGHOGG | 1 | £132 + 30 League Points | 110000 | |
| anjie1970 | 2 | £99 + 26 League Points | 0 | |
| SoLack | 3 | £77 + 18 League Points | 0 | |
| unbpower | 4 | £55 + 12 League Points | 0 | |
| Ludovician | 5 | £44 + 6 League Points | 0 | |
| Uzi_lover | 6 | £33 | 0 | |
| J-Hartigan | 7 | 0 |
Comments
N1 Greg, very classy fold.
you are some player m8y ,
mmm must upgrade you again on my notes lol,
oh and congratulations on the win .
Very well done Greg! Great fold, too.
dohhhh x
Great laydown.
But if u pickup a feeling that it's a value shove and have the balls to lay it down - then I wouldn't say its a "bad" laydown in any sense of the word. Perhaps critically thinking it's probably best to call in the long run against an unknown or solid TAG, but if u know your against a donk who's going to shove when he sees his 2pair sucking out against a flop bet/raise, then it's a great laydown in my opinion.
Call or fold, both are fine in that spot tbh Greg.
ps (if the buy in means alot to u, dont buy in)
DOHHH
The buy in is within my bank roll so its not a problem and that would never influence my decision in any case... I play this tourney most nights of the week, every week...
I folded because of the way the hand played out and because i know Mabsue well and have played him many times. Its all about knowing the player imo...
He has at least 2 pair when he shoves imo, and i have the wrong price to hit any of my outs.
At this stage of the tourney with the blinds as they are why would i call when im almost certain im behind?
And i did crack the tourney, in a solid, patient, way as per normal. We all have our own styles of playing. Obviously if this was a standard tourney and i only had a few bbs behind i would call, but in this situation, if i fold i still have well over 50 bbs.
Thank you every1 for your comments, i was so chuffed to win this tonight vs a very tough field.
Greg
just shove it in on the flop u take the pot down.
stop being result orientated, so frustrating.
dohh
1. Do you have to be so rude and flippant?
2. "just shoving it in on the flop" is stupid at the current blind levels.
3. You give no support or explanation for your so called "advice", instead resorting to a typical 2p2 style attitude. Did he ask for your advice in the first place?
4. To return the attitude: explanation to show the math and rationale behind your "auto all in"; or gtfo.
I'd be interested to see scotty's or ladyfingr's response to this if you post it in the strategy section greg
Could also float the flop? There are a lot of options available not just shove or fold.
well im the best player in the world believe it or not. im right u r all wrong. unless u agree with me. never ever folding there who cares wat the blind structure is?
move in, he folds, n u win the tourny.
simples
dohh
Very well played Gregg, and class act ..
The thing is this a good player knows when to lay down a monster, and when the timing is right,
knows how to play rags to take a pot down .. Top Man glk to ya !
am i talking to myself??? in the end good fold but it shudnt have got to that stage.....
plz explain why im wrong??? (im not btw)
loose = bad?
and if he shoved the flop he wins the pot, how can that possibly be a bad play?
2k to win 500=good increase and defintely a winning play long run.
"5k" to win 500-v small increase and a losing play in the long run.
seeya,it's late.
The all-in move only looks good because you know what the opponent's cards are.
Of course, Greg has MASSIVE fold equity but there is absolutely no need to risk his stack here. In most situations he gets exactly the same result with his more subtle (more intelligent) play.
You seem to be unaware (or unwilling to accept) that, in a deepstack, there is no need to risk your tournament with marginal plays.
Even with the given hands, Greg is only 47% to win after the flop. During the course of a deepstack there are almost certainly going to be several better spots for getting your chips in.
If Greg's opponent has a set (or even two pair) it's a snap call and Greg is drawing very thin - he would be 3/1 dog against a set, for instance.
In a turbo MTT, I would be shoving with the AK every day of the week, in a deepstack it is a VERY poor play.
Now, do you understand?
To open ship the turn is also the LOLest of LOL things in LOLsville.