what to do on this flop im thinking all in or fold

IDONKCALLU

IDONKCALLUSmall blind £0.20£0.20£18.81Slider73Big blind £0.20£0.40£24.07 Your hole cardsJJ   bambix01Fold    bolly580Fold    kimpetCall £0.20£0.60£19.91IDONKCALLURaise £0.80£1.40£18.01Slider73Call £0.80£2.20£23.27kimpetFold    Flop  789   IDONKCALLUBet £1.40£3.60£16.61Slider73Raise £6.40£10.00£16.8

rancid

board is soaking, get em in

Mohican

Yes. BTW he's not folding for the extra £11 so it's whether you think he'd semi bluff reraise you or whether he's doing it with a made hand. 10 10 is very possible here.

jams88

In Response to Re: what to do on this flop im thinking all in or fold:

board is soaking, get em in
Posted by rancid

isn't this a reason not too get em in? Against most opponants i think this is a fold unless you have reads to say he will do this with just a draw i cant see us being ahead often enough here to make it +ev

IDONKCALLU

it is a very tricky spot i wanted a timebank for this 1 lol 

rancid

In Response to Re: what to do on this flop im thinking all in or fold:

In Response to Re: what to do on this flop im thinking all in or fold : isn't this a reason not too get em in? Against most opponants i think this is a fold unless you have reads to say he will do this with just a draw i cant see us being ahead often enough here to make it +ev
Posted by jams88

How do you feel if the board is 259 rainbow and oppo does this

BigHawk89

Feels like your beat here. Theres loads of set/ two pair hands on this board that would just flat from the SB. But your right its a shove or fold, suppose he could show up with big draws such as X10cc but you arent a huge fave against that either.

rancid

Surely the only question is why is oppo raising so big, would be nice to have reads on oppo's sizing here but it screams draw to me - don't understand why oppo is screaming at us to fold !

huuuuume

raise bigger pre

fold flop

there are so many better spots than this.  with only 2.20 invested why would you risk your whole stack in a spot where your ev is never going to be that great?

rancid

NMIPEIS

NColley

not sure why it's a tricky spot

pretty easy fold imo

Lambert180

In Response to Re: what to do on this flop im thinking all in or fold:

raise bigger pre fold flop there are so many better spots than this.  with only 2.20 invested why would you risk your whole stack in a spot where your ev is never going to be that great?
Posted by huuuuume

I'm really shocked to hear you say that Huuuuume... surely because it's cash, if the spot is +EV then it's +EV.

Like getting it in with QQ when you know the opponent 100% has AKo is only slightly +EV but you're still gonna do it all day long, right?

LOL_RAISE

welll huume never says that its +Ev to call he just says ev isnt going to be great

1267

In Response to Re: what to do on this flop im thinking all in or fold:

In Response to Re: what to do on this flop im thinking all in or fold : I'm really shocked to hear you say that Huuuuume... surely because it's cash, if the spot is +EV then it's +EV. Like getting it in with QQ when you know the opponent 100% has AKo is only slightly +EV but you're still gonna do it all day long, right?
Posted by Lambert180

Noo, you would lose to rake.   
Plus it would be one boring day

huuuuume

In Response to Re: what to do on this flop im thinking all in or fold:

In Response to Re: what to do on this flop im thinking all in or fold : I'm really shocked to hear you say that Huuuuume... surely because it's cash, if the spot is +EV then it's +EV. Like getting it in with QQ when you know the opponent 100% has AKo is only slightly +EV but you're still gonna do it all day long, right?
Posted by Lambert180

i dont think we are going to +ev on enough occasions here.  also, if we are ahead its unlikely it will be by much

if reads were posted which indicated villain would go crazy with J9, Q9, K9 A9 then i may lean more towards calling

died

In Response to Re: what to do on this flop im thinking all in or fold:

Surely the only question is why is oppo raising so big, would be nice to have reads on oppo's sizing here but it screams draw to me - don't understand why oppo is screaming at us to fold !
Posted by rancid

Perhaps he wants us to think that he wants us to fold in order to induce a shove.

rancid

In Response to Re: what to do on this flop im thinking all in or fold:

In Response to Re: what to do on this flop im thinking all in or fold : Perhaps he wants us to think that he wants us to fold in order to induce a shove.
Posted by died

maybe

died

I'm with you though - you can't be petrified all the time that he's got it just because he's raising it up big. He could quite easily have a set or an overpair in which case we still have tonnes of outs.

NColley

In Response to Re: what to do on this flop im thinking all in or fold:

I'm with you though - you can't be petrified all the time that he's got it just because he's raising it up big. He could quite easily have a set or an overpair in which case we still have tonnes of outs.
Posted by died

if he has a set or an overpair you have 6 outs, thats not 'tonnes'

died

Ok. We have outs. No need to get pedantic.