Line Check

mattless

Haven't played this guy much, but pretty sure he is a decent reg. Just want to check all streets are ok. whats best on river c/f, c/c b/c b/f really don't know.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
lynne1950	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£14.76
fisherking	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£11.22
	Your hole cards	J J
chrisofl	Call		£0.20	£0.50	£3.40
Grim89	Fold
mattless	Raise		£1.20	£1.70	£19.79
x	Call		£1.20	£2.90	£52.71
lynne1950	Fold
fisherking	Fold
chrisofl	Fold
Flop
		8 3 9
mattless	Bet		£1.60	£4.50	£18.19
x	Call		£1.60	£6.10	£51.11
Turn
		10
mattless	Bet		£4.58	£10.68	£13.61
x	Call		£4.58	£15.26	£46.53
River
		2
mattless	Check
x	Bet		£8.20	£23.46	£38.33
mattless	Call		£8.20	£31.66	£5.41
x	Show
mattless	Show

Lambert180

I probably bet more on the flop, about £2-£2.20, also probably a little bit more on turn.

River-wise, I think you can disregard folding whether it be c/f or b/f because you only got £13 behind with a pot of £15 and an OP on  a board that aint the wettest board in the world (not the dryest either).

C/C allows him to bluff off his missed straight and flush draws, would be helpful if you knew if he gave up on the river with missed draws or not.

I probably C/C because I think aren't that many hands you can get value from.

grantorino

Why so big pre?

River is a really tough spot imo. I'm tempted to c/f, can't see much value in betting, maybe c/c

N1CK

In Response to Re: Line Check:

Why so big pre? River is a really tough spot imo. I'm tempted to c/f, can't see much value in betting, maybe c/c
Posted by grantorino

he says viln is decent reg, what do you narrow his range to when he calls the turn?

IDONKCALLU

big pre ? seems standard well a £1 is standard after a lipm so only extra 20 p lol  looks like a set of 8s or 9s to me maybe a 10 but i think u are beat more often then not

Lambert180

In Response to Re: Line Check:

big pre ? seems standard well a £1 is standard after a lipm so only extra 20 p lol  looks like a set of 8s or 9s to me maybe a 10 but i think u are beat more often then not
Posted by IDONKCALLU

When was 5x a standard open at 20NL?

rancid

if we check blankety blank river then we snap call don't we :S

IDONKCALLU

after a limp im always going a £1 or £1.20 if no limp im going 2 x reason i raise bigger pre is coz the guy who limped of has summit so charge extra 

Lambert180

Sorry, I mis-read the first post and thought you were saying it's standard to open 5x (first into the pot)

IDONKCALLU

lol why do u criticise most comments i put as if i cant play the game lol i do find it funny lambert 

grantorino

In Response to Re: Line Check:

In Response to Re: Line Check : he says viln is decent reg, what do you narrow his range to when he calls the turn?
Posted by N1CK

Ok, I freely admit this hand confuses me, so everything I say may be wrong

What worse calls if we bet

What worse vbets if we check

What bluffs if we check

I think all these ranges are pretty narrow v a reg with no history. I do think though if we check he checks behind a lot

rancid

In Response to Re: Line Check:

In Response to Re: Line Check : Ok, I freely admit this hand confuses me, so everything I say may be wrong What worse calls if we bet What worse vbets if we check What bluffs if we check I think all these ranges are pretty narrow v a reg with no history. I do think though if we check he checks behind a lot
Posted by grantorino

confused.com
when oppo calls flop & turn I would think range is quite wide but most likely holds a draw, maybe 1 pr/2 prs & sets in order

fink c/c river is good here

percival09

I'd say you're good here

if thats a river vbet its kinda weird. I'd probz expect him to put you all in or bet smaller. Wouldn't be surprised if had like Axdd

grantorino

In Response to Re: Line Check:

In Response to Re: Line Check : confused.com when oppo calls flop & turn I would think range is quite wide but most likely holds a draw, maybe 1 pr/2 prs & sets in order fink c/c river is good here
Posted by rancid

I don't think he's always v strong on turn, I think a set is really unlikely

However his flush draws will often have 2 overs and raise flop, the T will also bring in some draws or give him a pair, think he has showdown value on river a lot, and if he doesn't it's not really an attractive bluffing spot imo. But he could be bluffing or vbetting thin, who knows, maybe c/c is best

N1CK

i dont think hes a decent reg fwiw, our range is very strong here and bluffing is pretty bad, he should raise flopped sets vs our range?

we have blockers to some straight draws, i would expect him to have busted diamonds alot here so i think cc is best and if he shows a set of tens its like fu

grantorino

Don't expect a set.

He may bluff diamonds, but does he bluff Tdx, we have Jd, surely some of the diamond combos raise flop or pre

Meh, whatever I'm tired and confused

N1CK

would you play the turn any differnent say if you had AA or KK?

LOL_RAISE

he should be pretty strong preflop to cc a 6x raise with a 17bb shortie limping if he is good  c/f river imo.

mattless

Don't know why I went so big pre, one of those things you look back on and say "why did I do that, I never do that..." It didn't feel like a set in play as thought he would raise turn. He had 109, but can I fold blank river???? Not sure I'm good enough