How not to play 22?

macccaaa

Hand History #554856830 (23:15 20/08/2012)PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancemadeyeIIBig blind 300.00300.008180.00 Your hole cards22   safc20Raise 600.00900.004505.00macccaaaCall 600.001500.0020672.50yoyoFold    subsnwCall 600.002100.0018252.48madeyeIIFold    Flop  567   safc20Check    macccaaaBet 1500.003600.0019172.50subsnwCall 1500.005100.0016752.48safc20Fold    Turn  9   macccaaaBet 2100.007200.0017072.50subsnwCall 2100.009300.0014652.48River  3   macccaaaBet 5100.0014400.0011972.50subsnwRaise 10800.0025200.003852.48macccaaaAll-in 11972.5037172.500.00
Okay this is how it went down.. Is my oppenent ever folding in this situation? can he ever have a hand to fold to these odds? I put him on TT / JJ top of his range.. any help would be appreachiated, should i have raised pre? folded pre? given up after he flat calls the turn? I was chip leader at this point in the tourney playing this hand against the 2nd chip stack! suicide? lol. Would like to hear what you guys think my opponent has and what plays I could have made differently.. Thanks

jams88

Can't see starting stack sizes so not sure about the call pre. Give up on turn, if your read is right on opponant what hand are you trying to represent that has an 8 in it? 88? 78s maybe? looks more like you hand is a draw or a single pair hand as an over pair would have 3bet pre. If your read on player is correct i can't see that he is going to fold. Getting into bluffing situation for stacks against the only guy who can really hurt your stack at this point in a tourny seems like a bad idea to me.

macccaaa

In Response to Re: How not to play 22?:

Can't see starting stack sizes so not sure about the call pre. Give up on turn, if your read is right on opponant what hand are you trying to represent that has an 8 in it? 88? 78s maybe? looks more like you hand is a draw or a single pair hand as an over pair would have 3bet pre. If your read on player is correct i can't see that he is going to fold. Getting into bluffing situation for stacks against the only guy who can really hurt your stack at this point in a tourny seems like a bad idea to me.
Posted by jams88

sorry, starting stacks where about 18k for him and 20k for me.. It turned out he had 88 aswell lol

grantorino

Fold pre

C/f every other street.  What on earth are you doing when you shove over river raise

Lambert180

I don't mind flatting a min-raise with 22 pre as you and the other big stack are like 60+ BB deep, but just an easy check/fold on flop. If you wanna take one stab at the point, it's not the worst thing in the world, and you will probably flat pre with alot of hands that like this flop (this deep) but when he calls, there's no way you can put another chip in unless you hit a 2.

EDIT: Thought it was 2nd in chips that min-raised pre, but it was the really shorty. Think a fold pre is best

waynec

Set mining is fine with 22 as a 2 on the flop will normally pay out, IMO I dont mind the lead out on the turn as dont think you could expect a better flop for 2s and Ak/Q may just fold. The call on the turn says give it up!!!!!