Bet sizing?

Slykllist

advise / comments on both pre and post flop bet sizing please?

Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Slykllist	Small blind		40.00	40.00	3952.50
DADDYJP	Big blind		80.00	120.00	2010.00
	Your hole cards	K A
MAGICmagic	Fold
petecapr04	Fold
ellison01	Raise		160.00	280.00	5300.00
Slykllist	Raise		400.00	680.00	3552.50
DADDYJP	Call		360.00	1040.00	1650.00
ellison01	Fold
Flop
		K 4 3
Slykllist	Bet		780.00	1820.00	2772.50
DADDYJP	Fold
Slykllist	Muck
Slykllist	Win		1040.00		3812.50
Slykllist	Return		780.00	0.00	4592.50

yb

pre is ok i think, but the flop bet is wayyy too big, i'd make it around 300

Slykllist

In Response to Re: Bet sizing?:

pre is ok i think, but the flop bet is wayyy too big, i'd make it around 300
Posted by yb

I thought this after hence the question, what is thinking behind 300?  Personally I think I missed the opportunity to get his chips in here because I was paying too much attention to the possible flush draw and not enough to his stack size?

Slykllist

If you lead 300 here what are you trying to represent?  Weakness, ie. a weak bet looks alot weaker than a check?  Or are you literally just trying to induce the re-shove?

yb

In Response to Re: Bet sizing?:

In Response to Re: Bet sizing? : I thought this after hence the question, what is thinking behind 300?  Personally I think I missed the opportunity to get his chips in here because I was paying too much attention to the possible flush draw and not enough to his stack size?
Posted by Slykllist

people do stupid things sometimes when you bet small, it sets up stacks for a shove on the turn and it makes your cbets cheaper for the times you miss the flop

Slykllist

In Response to Re: Bet sizing?:

In Response to Re: Bet sizing? : people do stupid things sometimes when you bet small, it sets up stacks for a shove on the turn and it makes your cbets cheaper for the times you miss the flop
Posted by yb

So you'd advocate habitually c-betting small?  I generally value bet, c-bet and represent with exactly the same bet sizing, and almost always proceed with a perceived value bet.  Is this someting you would advise against and that I need to work on?

Slykllist

Suppose I've always worked on the theory that if my action is 'correct' then at least if I get unlucky it's not me that's made the mistake.

For example.... the hand above, if I don't bet 3/4 pot and the turn comes a diamond to make his flush, it's my fault for giving him the right odds to get there?

PS.  I know this particular hand is a bad examlple because of stack sizes

yb

In Response to Re: Bet sizing?:

In Response to Re: Bet sizing? : So you'd advocate habitually c-betting small?  I generally value bet, c-bet and represent with exactly the same bet sizing, and almost always proceed with a perceived value bet.  Is this someting you would advise against and that I need to work on?
Posted by Slykllist

generally the most important factor when it comes to bet sizing is the stacks to pot ratio, as you are aiming to get stacks in by the river with your value hands when you can. in late stages of a tourny your preflop raise/cbet sizes do not have to be big at all to be able to get stacks in, so you might as well make them smaller imo so you can make your bluffs cheaper, and also play against a wider range (often in position) with your value hands.

grantorino

Pre ok although I might make it a little bigger

1/2 pot plenty on flop.