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Confusing Line

bearlytherbearlyther
edited August 2012 in The Poker Clinic

So confused in this spot no idea what was going on so decided to fold.  What do you do here?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancericoramb03Small blind £0.25£0.25£62.97bearlytherBig blind £0.50£0.75£112.93 Your hole cards99   LudacrisFold    lyonsbob06Raise £2.00£2.75£97.02SanqBeliqCall £2.00£4.75£45.34VINEY73Call £2.00£6.75£26.37ricoramb03Fold    bearlytherCall £1.50£8.25£111.43Flop  444   bearlytherCheck    lyonsbob06Check    SanqBeliqAll-in £45.34£53.59£0.00VINEY73Fold   
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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited August 2012
    Well I'd imagine he's never doing this with the best of FHs like AA/KK and he aint doing it with flopped quads. It is really confusing, maybe he's protecting a small FH for fear of a A, K, Q, J etc coming out to house someone up... I'd probably call and sigh when he turns over AK and binks ;)

    EDIT: I'm a complete station though.
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  • beanehbeaneh
    edited August 2012
    R vs R
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  • bearlytherbearlyther
    edited August 2012
    In Response to Re: Confusing Line:
    R vs R
    Posted by beaneh
     ?
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  • beanehbeaneh
    edited August 2012
    Risk......



    versus









    Reward.......
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  • bearlytherbearlyther
    edited August 2012
    So do you call or fold?
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  • rancidrancid
    edited August 2012
    fold but I can't fold so I am not sure )

    confused !

    surely if oopo got 8's or lower then bets normal - fact that oppo shoves makes me think oppo got a 4 or big house like a 5 bedroom detached or something

    depends if oppo is good thinking or a none thinking bad


    I fold, but I so wanna see what oppo is thinking
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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited August 2012
    In Response to Re: Confusing Line:
    fold but I can't fold so I am not sure ) confused ! surely if oopo got 8's or lower then bets normal - fact that oppo shoves makes me think oppo got a 4 or big house like a 5 bedroom detached or something depends if oppo is good thinking or a none thinking bad I fold, but I so wanna see what oppo is thinking
    Posted by rancid
    Surely he's losing massive value if he's doing this with AA/KK 4x or even QQ? Obviously some players are bad, but can't see why someone would do this, because you  can get value through the hand from worse houses that you'd miss by just shoving.
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  • rancidrancid
    edited August 2012
    In Response to Re: Confusing Line:
    In Response to Re: Confusing Line : Surely he's losing massive value if he's doing this with AA/KK 4x or even QQ? Obviously some players are bad, but can't see why someone would do this, because you  can get value through the hand from worse houses that you'd miss by just shoving.
    Posted by Lambert180

    Is it bad or amazing !
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG
    edited August 2012
    In Response to Re: Confusing Line:
    So do you call or fold?
    Posted by bearlyther
    I fold because it's too much monies. There's a good chance that villain could have A4 or summit and is shipping in an attempt at max value cos ppl dont usually fold full houses! It's a weird overbet and too much to call imo.
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  • Curt360x27Curt360x27
    edited August 2012
    fold and be happy about it, especially against this oppo.
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  • poshcoleposhcole
    edited August 2012

    I would have called because surely if he has aa kk qq he would of 4bet pre flop to avoid seeing a flop 4 way; unless i had reads that he slow plays big hands. But has i only play small stakes my thinking is probably totally wrong. 

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  • percival09percival09
    edited August 2012
    I think it's a fold. Esp with original raiser behind. 
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  • DiscectomyDiscectomy
    edited August 2012
    Perhaps you put yourself in a confused position by limping in with 99

    A strong preflop raise to protect your pair would have thinned the field and let you have a better read on those who may have stayed and let you take the reward!!
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  • bearlytherbearlyther
    edited August 2012
    Hand not shown correctly for some reason here but i called and he had AJ
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  • percival09percival09
    edited August 2012
    I can't see what villain has but you haven't given us any reads, any of the dynamic, any info, and you quite clearly have some info on this villain because you play him often enough. Boring brag post I see
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  • grantorinograntorino
    edited August 2012
    What had he, AJ?

    I would call tbh, think you are ahead enough
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  • percival09percival09
    edited August 2012
    And why did you say in op that you folded when you called? :S weird. 
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  • bearlytherbearlyther
    edited August 2012
    Yes he had Ace Jack i was ahead
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  • billybootsbillyboots
    edited August 2012



    I fold here, still got Lyonsbob the original pre-flop raiser(sitting with £97) to play after you so it's possibly be a 3 way pot for virtually all your stack.........you've staked £2-oo .....I wouldn't be happy to be in with mid-pair against 2 players with that hand.
     
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  • bearlytherbearlyther
    edited August 2012
    In Response to Re: Confusing Line:
    And why did you say in op that you folded when you called? :S weird. 
    Posted by percival09
    I didnt want people to be results orientated so i thought i would put the hand up like this 1st to see what everyone thought.
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  • Die_hardDie_hard
    edited August 2012
    Weird play lol. Not like he does that all the time really.

    Edit - actually thinking about it, I've noticed him playing differently the last few days for some reason.
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  • percival09percival09
    edited August 2012
    well you still gave a result so it has the same effect. If you didn't want to be results orientated then just don't post anything relevant
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  • grantorinograntorino
    edited August 2012
    We crush original raisers range once he checks flop
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  • percival09percival09
    edited August 2012
    I agree but fwiw I think some players check aa here. Not that it matters. 
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  • billybootsbillyboots
    edited August 2012
    In Response to Re: Confusing Line:
    We crush original raisers range once he checks flop
    Posted by grantorino
    ....Really ?.........could it not be possible that he slow plays A4 K4 suited connectors eg 3/4 ; 4/5......i certainly would if i hit quads.
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  • grantorinograntorino
    edited August 2012
    In Response to Re: Confusing Line:
    In Response to Re: Confusing Line : ....Really ?.........could it not be possible that he slow plays A4 K4 suited connectors eg 3/4 ; 4/5......i certainly would if i hit quads.
    Posted by billyboots
    Its possible but it won't happen often enough to turn it into a fold if we beat over shove guy
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  • mj8bsmj8bs
    edited August 2012
    against that oppo (i have a few notes on him - he is perfectly capable of open shoving A high on dry boards), Im 100% calling IF there isnt a player to act behind. If Im fairly certain the player acting behind is either passive enough to fold or unlikely to be holding a bigger house, then I definitely call
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  • bearlytherbearlyther
    edited August 2012
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