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AKs - 4x and a call
Before I start, I'm not just being results orientated, I wanna see if the hand is played ok.
Obviously I'm never folding post-flop, that's not in question so I'm only really asking about my bet sizing pre and on the flop.
Pre was a bit massive yes lol, and almost certainly a mistake on my part, I never ever usually go this big, dunno what happened, but I was happy to play for stacks and with a limp and a call from 2 50xBB stacks, I was trying to just get them in pre.
My thinking was, I'm getting all my money in post flop no matter what happens so I went really small on the flop to keep in his weaker hands, so he'd be comitted with virtually any hand when I shove the turn. Obviously it did, it kept in his 55 and he got lucky, I'm not bothered about this bit because I want to keep him in with 55 but what are the thoughts about it? Do I just make my normal sized kinda bet on this flop which would be big enough to just put him all in?
Only reads on villian who got to the flop is that he min donkbet 3 streets with 88 on something like K3567 (I know there was only 1 overcard to his 8s, and I'd just called him down with JJ. Obviously now have a note saying he will limp/call an massive cold 3bet with 55 lol.
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| TheMunch | Small blind | £0.02 | £0.02 | £1.78 | |
| MUTTZNUTZ | Big blind | £0.04 | £0.06 | £3.65 | |
| ronnie04 | Big blind | £0.04 | £0.10 | £2.36 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| X | Call | £0.04 | £0.14 | £2.00 | |
| LIAM92446 | Raise | £0.16 | £0.30 | £10.72 | |
| ronnie04 | Call | £0.12 | £0.42 | £2.24 | |
| Lambert180 | Raise | £0.76 | £1.18 | £3.18 | |
| TheMunch | Fold | ||||
| MUTTZNUTZ | Fold | ||||
| X | Call | £0.72 | £1.90 | £1.28 | |
| LIAM92446 | Fold | ||||
| ronnie04 | Fold | ||||
| Flop | |||||
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| X | Check | ||||
| Lambert180 | Bet | £0.44 | £2.34 | £2.74 | |
| X | Call | £0.44 | £2.78 | £0.84 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| X | All-in | £0.84 | £3.62 | £0.00 | |
| Lambert180 | Call | £0.84 | £4.46 | £1.90 | |
| X | Show |
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| Lambert180 | Show |
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| River | |||||
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| X | Win | Three 5s | £4.12 | £4.12 | |
Comments
This is what I'm asking really, the chips are going in regardless so why not keep the villians range as wide as possible?
If your identifying your oppenents correctly then there is nothing wrong with your 3bt. Its big because you hope that some monkey will call and narrow the field IP-which it did!
You post flop play is good for several reasons. 1) if you pot it villain likely sees your range and if you didnt have AK, you probably had TT+ or Kx and he folds. 2) if you pot it you only get called by better and all FD's have their 30%. 3) by betting small you charge the draw (if he doesnt RR), get value (which you did) and maybe entice a bluff.
He got lucky with 2 outs
Just want to point out that actually Lambert's flop-bet doesn't charge the flush draw. He offers them better than 5:1 on their money and the correct pot odds to make the call with a flush draw are 4:1. In fact if our opponent has a flush draw, we are giving them much better odds than they need with this bet, so in effect it's charging ourselves to see a flush card. Long-term our opponents make money from us when we do this.
We're not going to be bluffed for 80p either.
Keep posting, Suzy. It's good to have some new contributors. We've lost a few over the last few months so we need new blood.
wouldn't worry about flop too much, nice size so you get shoved on and anyway oppo calls 3rd of remaining stack off with underpairs
If you shove flop oppo calls off with draw anyway
make note - move on
As I've already said, and as you said above, I'm getting it in no matter what the turn comes, so the turn card is kinda irrelevant. It's a spot where I'm either way ahead or way behind, so he's either flopped set, or an unlikely 2pr, or AA in which case I'm getting stacked whatever happens OR he has PPs that aren't sets or weaker holdings like AT.
So the way I see it, if I'm behind, I'm going bust anyway, and if I'm ahead, I'm probably way ahead and he's drawing to less than 5 outs, so I'm happy to let him try hitting very few outs for the fact it will mean I stack him everytime he misses.
I'm not scared of a spade really, there's 3 x more suited hands that aren't spades than are and he has alot of PPs in his range which can't have FDs, so the FD don't scare me. PPs have 2 outs, any pairs that don't involve my kicker have 3 outs. It's all good saying what if a Q/J comes, but the odds are massively in favour of it coming a 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, T, K, A.
This is my thought process anyway, so someone please let me know if there are any flaws and why.
20NL is a different game and I will play different, maybe that's why you say you struggle at 4NL. I change my bets dependent on my opinion of the flop at 4NL.
Fwiw I dont like Lamberts line, but I think it makes very little difference
I don't want him to fold! I don't care that he got there, I'm happy for him to call with 55 there all day long. You're argument that I should shove because he might hit his 2 outter is silly.
too much talk about a hand on the flop that doesn't even require thinking about
no bet, small bet or shove - who cares ?
Do you care ? Lets talk serious - what kind of draw is oppo calling with pre flop !
do we care what oppo has, does oppo call shove with a draw !
is the end result always going to be the same !
do we laugh when oppo turns over 2 pr
do we laugh more when oppo turn over 55
does oppo ever fold blank turn
will Lambert ever use this raise size again
does oppo realise anything
will GT spank IDONK at poker
will lol_raise post on here with just a one word answer
nn sleep tight
) I' am chilled - that's a very chilled answer -
Anyway you need to answer a more serious question - how do you expoit and beat TAG REGS !
Espcially with no HUD