4NL - TPGK 3way

Lambert180

Thoughts on my line here please. Feeling like stack sizes say I can't get off the hand once I've bet the flop, but is shovign the turn the best play?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Lambert180	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£14.24
4KING_NUTS	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£2.36
	Your hole cards	K Q
jockyboy	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£3.15
MisterK22	Fold
theyoungy	Fold
Lambert180	Raise		£0.20	£0.30	£14.04
4KING_NUTS	Call		£0.18	£0.48	£2.18
jockyboy	Call		£0.18	£0.66	£2.97
Flop
		8 7 Q
Lambert180	Bet		£0.50	£1.16	£13.54
4KING_NUTS	Call		£0.50	£1.66	£1.68
jockyboy	Call		£0.50	£2.16	£2.47
Turn
		6
Lambert180	Bet		£2.16	£4.32	£11.38
4KING_NUTS	All-in		£1.68	£6.00	£0.00
jockyboy	All-in		£2.47	£8.47	£0.00
Lambert180	Call		£0.31	£8.78	£11.07
Lambert180	Show	K Q
4KING_NUTS	Show	A Q
jockyboy	Show	9 10
River
		5
jockyboy	Win	Straight to the 10	£8.12		£8.12

Curt360x27

Completely fine I think. If your not shoving the turn then the only other option you have is to c/f unless they make a comedy bet. 

I guess you could just b/c it off on the turn but I think the shove is better.

TPTP123

Tough spot, which is prob why only 1 person has posted in thread. Think you played it fine,

Flopping TopPairGK 3way OOP versus 2 loose players on a wet board is kinda dangerous here... ideally you want pot HU... more ideally you only want 1 caller on flop... but yeah given the stack sizes leading turn is only option really!! Anything else is too weak tight when your get to the turn. Like for instance not cbetting the flop would be criminal so you played a tough spot fine, just didn't work out this time.  

 

percival09

think it's fine. I was in a similar hand recently and had the same outcome. But I don't really think you can get away from it. Meh. 

BorinLoner

I think the biggest criticism I would make is that you chose to play the hand at all, if you were intending to play it with this big bet strategy.

This is the main pitfall of this strategy for low-stakes cash: You can get maximum value from weak players who call any two and pay off big bets with weak hands but equally, when we either get it wrong or our opponents have a bigger hand than we think, we end up being massively exploitable, especially out of position. Just look at the chap with the AQ. What has he done wrong in this hand? He's just sat there, with position on you, letting you ship your stack in while he has you crushed. If you're in position, that doesn't happen. If your bets are smaller, that doesn't happen.

So the criticism is that you played the hand with these big bets. Out of position, I think you either need to just fold hands like KQ or to ease up on the bet sizing and play a little more conventionally.

Play big pots in position and small pots out of position.

grantorino

In Response to Re: 4NL - TPGK 3way:

I think the biggest criticism I would make is that you chose to play the hand at all, if you were intending to play it with this big bet strategy. This is the main pitfall of this strategy for low-stakes cash: You can get maximum value from weak players who call any two and pay off big bets with weak hands but equally, when we either get it wrong or our opponents have a bigger hand than we think, we end up being massively exploitable, especially out of position. Just look at the chap with the AQ. What has he done wrong in this hand? He's just sat there, with position on you, letting you ship your stack in while he has you crushed. If you're in position, that doesn't happen. If your bets are smaller, that doesn't happen. So the criticism is that you played the hand with these big bets. Out of position, I think you either need to just fold hands like KQ or to ease up on the bet sizing and play a little more conventionally. Play big pots in position and small pots out of position.
Posted by BorinLoner

  Massively exploitable at 4nl. Lol. 

How does this not happen ip. When you run kq into AQ and flop tp v players with a wide range you lose money. You win lots v their range though.  

rancid

it's fine

borin worrying about being exploitable at NL4 - meh
If Lambert is going for big bet value then the majority of the time he will be ahead, not a problem

Sure you come out best in the end

at least you get to note oppo 3 betting range )

BorinLoner

In position, on this board, you probably don't bet the turn with two customers. Out of position, you don't have much choice. That's always going to be the difference... Bet it smaller and you can get away.

Okay... maybe "exploit" is the wrong word. Your opponents aren't doing it to you, you're really just value-towning yourself. I don't hate making these big bets at NL4, I just hate doing it with sub-premium hands out of position.

rancid

In Response to Re: 4NL - TPGK 3way:

In position, on this board, you probably don't bet the turn with two customers. Out of position, you don't have much choice. That's always going to be the difference... Bet it smaller and you can get away. Okay... maybe "exploit" is the wrong word. Your opponents aren't doing it to you, you're really just value-towning yourself. I don't hate making these big bets at NL4, I just hate doing it with sub-premium hands out of position.
Posted by BorinLoner

I hear ya, but when oppo going to call you down with worse more often than not it's really not a problem at NL4
It pays to know your oppo though -

Fabraclass

Think you played the hand fine against wide calling ranges. I think you have to just go with the hand for 75bbs, even though it is a multiway pot.Though not very happy about it.  I would expect most players to raise sets/ two pair on the flop. Their ranges for calling the flop are mainly one pair hands, straight draws and maybe flush draws.therefore you are probably ahead here a rasonable amount of the time. For 100bbs i think we could get away for sure. Against tight passive players i prefer to keep pots  smaller out of position, and therefore would  make bets smaller, as you will be facing stronger calling ranges on all streets.