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Calling Shoves Pre Readless (Cash Poker)
Hello,
This is more of a general question for cash poker and not specific to one hand...
What kind of ranges are we calling shoves with, when readless from shortstacks players? To give a bit more detail, I'm referring to the times when people are sat short stacked and are open shoving or shoving over someone's 3x fairly regularly, maybe not every hand but quite often and it is the only way they come into a pot.
To keep it simple, let's assume we're always closing the action, and when (if) we call, we will be the only one in the pot and will be racing v the shorty.
Obviously it depends on stack size, so can we have answers for 20BB and 40BB stacks (give or take a few BBs for each). As it is now, if I 3x and get jammed on, or someone just open jams and I'm last to act, my calling ranges are something along the lines of...
20BB - 88+, AT+
40BB - TT+ AQ+
Obviously these will change if I have notes but we're just talking readless for this one. I only ask because last night I opened 3x and got jammed on by a 40BB stack, it comes back round to me, last to act (and no-one else had called) and I call with AJs, he has A8s and I win a decent pot. I was swayed more towards the call because he had shoved pre in the previous 2 hands as well. I know I was right this time, but just wasn't sure if long-term that's gonna be a good call or not. I know my AJ call was looser than I said in my above ranges but as I say this was influenced by him shoving the 2 previous hands
Thoughts?
What do you think are good calling ranges in these spots v 20xBB and 40xBB stacks?
Paul
This is more of a general question for cash poker and not specific to one hand...
What kind of ranges are we calling shoves with, when readless from shortstacks players? To give a bit more detail, I'm referring to the times when people are sat short stacked and are open shoving or shoving over someone's 3x fairly regularly, maybe not every hand but quite often and it is the only way they come into a pot.
To keep it simple, let's assume we're always closing the action, and when (if) we call, we will be the only one in the pot and will be racing v the shorty.
Obviously it depends on stack size, so can we have answers for 20BB and 40BB stacks (give or take a few BBs for each). As it is now, if I 3x and get jammed on, or someone just open jams and I'm last to act, my calling ranges are something along the lines of...
20BB - 88+, AT+
40BB - TT+ AQ+
Obviously these will change if I have notes but we're just talking readless for this one. I only ask because last night I opened 3x and got jammed on by a 40BB stack, it comes back round to me, last to act (and no-one else had called) and I call with AJs, he has A8s and I win a decent pot. I was swayed more towards the call because he had shoved pre in the previous 2 hands as well. I know I was right this time, but just wasn't sure if long-term that's gonna be a good call or not. I know my AJ call was looser than I said in my above ranges but as I say this was influenced by him shoving the 2 previous hands
Thoughts?
What do you think are good calling ranges in these spots v 20xBB and 40xBB stacks?
Paul
Comments
Hence that general is skillful in attack whose opponent does not know what to defend; and he is skillful in defense whose opponent does not know what to attack.
You just need to spot your local nutter - although like a blind dog they do sometimes did up a bone!
My preference is to keep it to a big pair as any two cards can beat an A+.
@ Wartic - I can't really play the man when it's just a question of calling his shove or not lol, all the play has gone out of the hand, and it's just a case of is my hand ahead of his range or not.
@ Gracie - I know any two cards can beat a big ace, but if I have AK, and they have 72, 89, JT, K4 whatever, I'd always call because I'm winning long term.
Hand History #555921658 (09:34 24/08/2012)PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceMOTHGIRL Small blind £0.50 £0.50 £76.52 victorrezz Big blind £1.00 £1.50 £46.50 Your hole cards 9 A ??All-in £126.91 £128.41 £0.00 kazan74 Fold pr1nnyraid All-in £249.44 £377.85 £0.00 MOTHGIRL Fold victorrezz Fold pr1nnyraid Unmatched bet £122.53 £255.32 £122.53 ?? Show
pr1nnyraid Show 9 A
Personally i wait for pairs or AK suited. And then still lose.
.do these ranges,whatever they may be, alter for cash and mtt's even deep stack as opposed to say BH? Just a thought as i certainly wouldn't be calling AI's in BH's with AJ without good reason. Just asking....
In an MTT, you are always looking to take +EV spots, but there will be times when something is +EV but not +£EV, meaning that specific hand is a +EV play, but doing it might reduce the actual cash amount you cash for in the long term.
For instance, if there were 5 people left and the payjumps were very steep, your 2nd in chips and 1st in chips goes all in and you know (somehow) 100% that he has KQs. You have 88 so it's a +EV call to make BUT...
If he has 100xBB, you have 90xBB, and the other 3 players have 10xBB, the hand is +EV but doing it in an MTT in that spot isn't +£EV because of how much you'll lose in cash terms the nearly 50% of the time, when you could easily get down to HU first and gurantee alot more cash.
depends if oppo open shoves, 3 bet shoves etc...
no black or white answer
would say if you call once and you get an answer make a note and it becomes a lot easier next time
if your readless, it's very simple they either weak or strong - u decide - just call make note - move on till next time because there's always a next time
not like you going to get pro short stackers at nl4