Sigh @ barrelling a kak turn for us (again), shud I give up or try again?

DOHHHHHHH

The guy was on a few of the tables running in the early hours, so I remember assuming at the time that he might be good. Prob wrong to do that.

No reads or anything. Never played him before.

Would betting the river compound my turn error?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
DOHHHHHHH	Small blind		£0.25	£0.25	£48.50
kcxyz	Big blind		£0.50	£0.75	£98.50
tappazuki	Sit out
	Your hole cards	Q J
kapstad	Fold
DOHHHHHHH	Raise		£1.25	£2.00	£47.25
kcxyz	Call		£1.00	£3.00	£97.50
Flop
		7 8 4
DOHHHHHHH	Bet		£2.00	£5.00	£45.25
kcxyz	Call		£2.00	£7.00	£95.50
Turn
		2
DOHHHHHHH	Bet		£5.00	£12.00	£40.25
kcxyz	Call		£5.00	£17.00	£90.50
River
		K
DOHHHHHHH	Bet		£9.50	£26.50	£30.75
kcxyz

yb

as you say the turn isn't a great barrelling card. i'd defo bet that river, but i think you probs need to make it bigger if you want to try to fold out one pair hands as well as draws

NColley

agree with above

need to make it bigger if your gonna fire again, prob like 14 to put villian under pressure with all his 1 pair hands

percival09

yh agree with above. 

most of his pairs/draws are staying with you ott and you only really have 2 overcards. as played yh i bet river but bigger

gracie24

If he has a pp and made trips or has k's he would play like this. Readless after one call I would check to see his reaction. If he checks he is drawing and if he bets you save some money- what are you actually beating here.

percival09

In Response to Re: Sigh @ barrelling a kak turn for us (again), shud I give up or try again?:

If he has a pp and made trips or has k's he would play like this. Readless after one call I would check to see his reaction. If he checks he is drawing and if he bets you save some money- what are you actually beating here.
Posted by gracie24

You're saying whenever a villain checks behind it's a draw? I'm sure he'd check behind a lot of made hands that he doesn't want to build the pot with that he thinks have a good chance of winning at showdown.

Hero isn't betting for value on the turn. He knows he isn't beating anything hence the bet, admittedly it's not a great barreling card but he's betting to knock villain off his weak hands/air. 

pr1nnyraid

I guess you can bet the river too if you think you would also lead 99-QQ for value, as it looks alot like this. How have you been playing? have you been barreling much so would villain happily c/c down with an 8 or 9? 

I guess checking the turn is essentially giving up on the pot so is why you didnt do it. Whilst the 2 is a bad barrell card for bluffs, its a good barrel card for value hands like overpairs.. does villain know this? in which case a bad barrel card becomes a good barrel card. 

Given the above i'd say a good player would be calling with draws and SHOULD be folding their pairs that arent TP and some or all of their TP hands.. IF they are good. 

IF they are bad or a station then, well, don't have to barrel to beat them. 

Against a good player i dont mind the river bet as you can still rep a widish range for value that will beat alot of the hands he calls flop and turn. He also folds out all flush draws other than Kxhh

grantorino

I think turn is ok if you intend emptying clip on a lot of rivers. I fire river bigger