River bet sizing with nuts in limped pot?

DOHHHHHHH

Have an old note that opponent isn't v good.

That's all I've got to go on, I spose it means he's capable of making mistakes on the end here!

How big would you go?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
xxx	Small blind		£0.20	£0.20	£38.60
DOHHHHHHH	Big blind		£0.40	£0.60	£106.28
	Your hole cards	9 6
IDONKCALLU	Fold
johnnyd117	Fold
kidwiz10	Fold
xxx	Call		£0.20	£0.80	£38.40
DOHHHHHHH	Check
Flop
		4 3 9
xxx	Bet		£0.40	£1.20	£38.00
DOHHHHHHH	Call		£0.40	£1.60	£105.88
Turn
		6
xxx	Bet		£0.80	£2.40	£37.20
DOHHHHHHH	Raise		£3.20	£5.60	£102.68
xxx	Call		£2.40	£8.00	£34.80
River
		9
xxx	Check
DOHHHHHHH	Bet

Lambert180

full pot

unknown_username

the river would scare me if i was your oppo, but he may have a 9. If he's got nowt hes probably not calling anyway, so pray he has 5 7 or A9 and bet the pot

andybeth

Not a fan of betting pot here. Raise big on turn, then pot the river just shows great strength. I'd rather bet between 5.50/6.50 to try and get called by A6/56 etc. Alternatively, if you think your opponent is poor and will call light, then try overbetting it. Make it like £12, but obv this is really player dependant. Personally, I'd go 3/4 to about £6, get thos weaker holdings to call

Jac35

I put him all in.

9 times out of 10 he folds but the one time he calls makes this a profitable play.

If he has nothing he folds to any bet.

If he has a 9 or a straight he is as likely to call an all in bet as he is a pot size bet.

Also at these stakes players call, they hate to feel they've been bluffed and he could convince himself that the all on is a bluff.

BorinLoner

I wouldn't like overbetting here, especially all-in. Range-balancing is impossible if you do this with the nuts, unless you're also shoving with your bluffs... which seems unlikely.

I'd probably bet about 3/4 pot. I just wouldn't like betting anything outside my usually betting range, so if you'd bet full-pot for value here with an overpair or as a bluff, then that's fine.

grantorino

6.50

rancid

6.20

BigHawk89

Go BIG!

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: River bet sizing with nuts in limped pot?:

I wouldn't like overbetting here, especially all-in. Range-balancing is impossible if you do this with the nuts, unless you're also shoving with your bluffs... which seems unlikely. I'd probably bet about 3/4 pot. I just wouldn't like betting anything outside my usually betting range, so if you'd bet full-pot for value here with an overpair or as a bluff, then that's fine.
Posted by BorinLoner

Thanx for replies, I didn't expect so many different opinions.

Just wanna ask about the highlighted bit. 

I keep reading different stuff on this forum about balancing ranges. Some people always talk about doing it others say we don't need to be balanced....

Are there spots where balancing ranges is more important than others? And is this one?

donkeyplop

£6.11

rancid

In Response to Re: River bet sizing with nuts in limped pot?:

In Response to Re: River bet sizing with nuts in limped pot? : Thanx for replies, I didn't expect so many different opinions. Just wanna ask about the highlighted bit.  I keep reading different stuff on this forum about balancing ranges. Some people always talk about doing it others say we don't need to be balanced.... Are there spots where balancing ranges is more important than others? And is this one?
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Surely it's only worth considering you should balance if your oppo is good thinking player and you want to remain unpredictable

BorinLoner

In Response to Re: River bet sizing with nuts in limped pot?:

In Response to Re: River bet sizing with nuts in limped pot? : Thanx for replies, I didn't expect so many different opinions. Just wanna ask about the highlighted bit.  I keep reading different stuff on this forum about balancing ranges. Some people always talk about doing it others say we don't need to be balanced.... Are there spots where balancing ranges is more important than others? And is this one?
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Alot of people think you don't need to balance at NL4... they're probably right.

If players are paying attention and you value-shove with the nuts, heavily over-betting the pot, they will remember that. When you do it you're polarising your range but if you never do it as a bluff then you're polarising your range to only massive hands and they'll never call without the nuts. Would you ever shove like this with just one-pair?

If you remember doing this to someone and being paid off, that can mean it makes sense to over-shove as a bluff in future... but that seems a bit excessive. On the other hand, on the occasions that you don't shove, your opponents will "know" that you don't have a monster hand.

It's much easier to just have a range of bet sizes which you use regularly with big hands, middling hands and bluffs. It makes your opponents more predictable too, as you don't have to worry about which crazy bets they've seen you make and how they'll now perceive your bets in the current hand.

I don't know how important this all is. It sounds important, though.

I don't think anyone should listen to my advice at the moment. I've been getting crushed by every man and his dog lately. Playing terribly. Maybe I'm a fish.