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What to do here? afternoon league

IDONKCALLUIDONKCALLU
edited September 2012 in The Poker Clinic
This sums it up ya wont believe what guy was calling a 5 x raise jimb0d1Small blind 20.0020.002782.50jams88Big blind 40.0060.004615.00 Your hole cardsAJ   FLASHJONNYFold    BETY1TIMEFold    xJESUSxCall 40.00100.005468.75IDONKCALLURaise 200.00300.005082.50jimb0d1Call 180.00480.002602.50jams88Fold    xJESUSxCall 160.00640.005308.75Flop  6J8   jimb0d1Check    xJESUSxCheck    IDONKCALLUBet 400.001040.004682.50jimb0d1Fold    xJESUSxAll-in 5308.756348.750.00
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  • percival09percival09
    edited September 2012
    meh. The amount of times he flips over 2p here is quite unbelievable. I'll just stove his range - you think it's poss he's shoving TP? I presume fds are in his range...
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  • IDONKCALLUIDONKCALLU
    edited September 2012
    was thinking flush draw or even k j 
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited September 2012
    Hi IDCU

    For me a set is there so easily...its easy to set mine...i know i'm not calling so early. Feel that you must be behind.
     for me a fold mate.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: What to do here? afternoon league:
    Hi IDCU For me a set is there so easily...its easy to set mine...i know i'm not calling so early. Feel that you must be behind.  for me a fold mate.
    Posted by profman15
    But why would a set shove? It's so hard to flop sets, and then when you do, you lose all the value of flopping a disguised hand by just shoving and making everyone fold

    If they have a set, it's a big mistake from villian IMO. I suspect it's more like 2prs, FDs, and the OESD
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  • IDONKCALLUIDONKCALLU
    edited September 2012
    i ruled out a set u dnt shove with a set if u had a set u would just call 
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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner
    edited September 2012
    Wouldn't you also just call if you had KJ or some other top-pair hand? I'm not sure it matters what you or I would do here, IDONKCALLU. I don't think you or I would limp-call any hand. These are the players I find hardest to put on any range at all.

    To be fair, if you're asking us to guess what hand he has limp-called for the 5x raise with, then shoved this flop, I'm going to guess at AA or KK.
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  • IDONKCALLUIDONKCALLU
    edited September 2012
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  • IDONKCALLUIDONKCALLU
    edited September 2012
    wont post proper sigh fricking 6 8 
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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited September 2012
    Moral of the story... don't call 100+BB shoves with 1pr hands, when someone has limp/called, then suddenly comes to life on the flop.
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  • IDONKCALLUIDONKCALLU
    edited September 2012
    are u being results orientated here paul if i won is it a good call :) 


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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited September 2012
    No of course not, it's a terrible call. Why would you risk more than 100xBB in a spot like this where you aint even that strong. A weak player limp/calls, then suddenly after being really passive preflop, comes alive and shoves... this is never a bluff, and it's never even as weak as KJ.

    It's always gonna be hands you're behind to or a marginal favourite, and when you're this deep v bad palyers you don't need to do it. The skill element in a good players game is post flop, reading boards etc. not being capable of winning races. If he's bad, which he clearly is from this hand lol... you can almost certainly get his chips off him later, without taking a big risk of busting.
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  • IDONKCALLUIDONKCALLU
    edited September 2012
    ok any 1 woulda thought u crush the mtts lol i dnt think its a bad call i would do this call alot of mtts 
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  • Lambert180Lambert180
    edited September 2012
    Donk seriously, it was blatantly obvious you made a comment just to make a comment like that above. Would you have posted this if you'd won?

    I don't crush MTTs but it would be tricky to do so cos I don't play them lol... in the last 12 months, I'd estimate I've played less than 30 MTTs. Mostly because I don't like how high variance MTTs are, so I play them occasionally for fun but would never have the discipline to just grind MTTs.
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  • Curt360x27Curt360x27
    edited September 2012
    Low buy in MTT, against a bad player with TPTK its certainly not a bad call.
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  • IDONKCALLUIDONKCALLU
    edited September 2012
    thankyou curt 
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  • percival09percival09
    edited September 2012
    I wouldn't say it's a horrible call. I'm not a huge fan of it, but it aint tooooo bad - you're probs good here sometimes.. But yeah folding is optimal w/o reads imo
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  • unknown_usernameunknown_username
    edited September 2012
    In Response to Re: What to do here? afternoon league:
    In Response to Re: What to do here? afternoon league : But why would a set shove? It's so hard to flop sets, and then when you do, you lose all the value of flopping a disguised hand by just shoving and making everyone fold If they have a set, it's a big mistake from villian IMO. I suspect it's more like 2prs, FDs, and the OESD
    Posted by Lambert180
    Hi L
    Yes maybe a set is a bit much but IDCU has a reputation(a a good player may i add) and had had a bad day the day before(still slightly tilted possibly). I knew this so maybe others did too. Sharkscope shows past tourneys doesn't it.Personally if i had a set here. I would have AI'd. It looks weaker than it does strong and even if he folds i've won a good size pot for no risk. If he does call, i'm set to bully the table. swings and roundabouts sometimes, i feel. I still think he's behind as  said ...one pair just isn't enough to continue with. After all its not Donk-a-Thon BHearly doors is it?
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