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MTT - AK 4 bet or not

edited September 2012 in The Poker Clinic
Maybe some reads?

I prob supernit fold pre, or else 4b/c

Flop meh, I fold 

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  • edited September 2012

    Ok so a little hand from last nights rebuy open shove a lot MTT

    So I don't 4 bet because I am only getting 5 bet by better and the thought of being called by someone IP with me holding AK doesn't feel me with joy. So I flat totally disguised and all that jazz :()
    edit: simply I don't want them to fold when I 4 bet and I don't want them to 5 bet shove )
    The size of my 4 bet would commit me as I am never folding and I think they fold all except AA/KK maybe QQ
    Don't think they ever 5 bet shove or flat with AQ for example
    oppo B may flat a 4 bet with better as he may see me as a aggro spew monkey )

    So flop comes down, flop is good - I flat flop because I am very likely ahead and I wanna see a blank turn and hopefully extract more from worse or guy behind goes mad. But should I raise for protection/value and look to get it in or do you think my line has some merits this deep

    Then someone shoves, this is good for me right ?

    How do you think this hand was played ? Opnions please people


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    Reads just for GT )

    both are only ever 5 betting with AA/KK maybe QQ given it's a rebuy
    both are not flatting a 5 bet with worse, so if I 4 bet I will see folds 98% or the minority A or B may flat with suited paint, low-mid prs looking to stack me but no continuation unless they have me beat - looking at stack sizes I can't see  them flatting but it's like 2% they could
    both oppo will flat 3 bets with worse including low-mid prs/suited conns/ nice connecting paint/ AQ/AJ
    When we go to the flop, I am ok versus original raiser (a) - oppo is pretty wide here in this spot
    not too sure what B is holding - could be big pair or big ace - some connecting paint aswel, minority could be suited conns
    When A shoves over us, I say draw all day, could be a set though - but I think oppo would  raise to about half of their stack - not a shove with set me thinks <---- not a 100% read, but quite sure oppo turns up with draw more than a  set
    ps. I don't think A or B ever would hardly ever flat my 4 bet with better, but it's possible from oppo B
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    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    rancid Small blind   50.00 50.00 6782.50
    BigChicAQ Big blind   100.00 150.00 4020.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • K
         
    A Raise   255.00 405.00 4761.25
    B Raise   410.00 815.00 5030.00
    paul10 Fold        
    jonjo75 Fold        
    rancid Call   360.00 1175.00 6422.50
    BigChicAQ Fold        
    A Call   155.00 1330.00 4606.25
    Flop
       
    • K
    • 7
    • 2
         
    rancid Check        
    A Check        
    B
    Bet   665.00 1995.00 4365.00
    rancid Call   665.00 2660.00 5757.50
    A All-in   4606.25 7266.25 0.00
    B Fold        
    rancid
  • edited September 2012
    If we are 4betting here it can only be to GII, which I dont hate with 50 bigs in online T.

    As our 4bet is likely to be bloated due to being OOP vs 2 I'd even toy with the idea of shipping givien that 810 is already sitting out there and oppos relative stack sizes.  If they are just mucking about/lvling am sometimes just going to be happy ending the hand here rather than getting into a grimo spot post.  But the minning of utg opener is a worry.  (Dont have time to read the GT reads :p).  Prob 4betcall, ship or fold depending on read/dynamic.
  • edited September 2012
    I like 4betting. AKs is just too nice not to 4bet. 

    As played I know I probs call in play because I like rivering full houses vs flushes. But I think it'd be a good lay down as played
  • edited September 2012
    im 4 betting pre as u want it heads up as played fairly easy fold 
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