40nl What do we do on the turn once we get raised do we go with it and shove here?

IDONKCALLU

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancepupsterSmall blind £0.20£0.20£48.71Pullin01Big blind £0.40£0.60£5.01 Your hole cardsQQ   DashFerrarCall £0.40£1.00£47.21ffh1967Call £0.40£1.40£23.71Jonno02Call £0.40£1.80£60.84IDONKCALLURaise £2.80£4.60£37.50pupsterFold    Pullin01Fold    DashFerrarCall £2.40£7.00£44.81ffh1967Call £2.40£9.40£21.31Jonno02Fold    Flop  2410   DashFerrarCheck    ffh1967Check    IDONKCALLUBet £5.20£14.60£32.30DashFerrarFold    ffh1967Raise £10.40£25.00£10.91

DOHHHHHHH

Anything but fold.

percival09

Anything but check or fold

IDONKCALLU

thats ok then i shoved they snapped called with 10 10 sigh

IDONKCALLU

just double checking guys hate thhe min raise tho smells of so much strength but cant let go of a overpair

percival09

Yh vs his stack it kinda plays itself 

BorinLoner

When I first saw the hand before reading any comments I thought "Snap-fold". That was based on two things:
1) His limp-call then min-raise the flop line screams of being a set-mine.
2) You posted the hand so I knew you must have lost. lol

Seriously though, I think folding would be pretty tight without reads that he only makes this min-raise with his big hands and not with TPTK or just as a bluff. Against his stack size you should get the lot in on the flop or call and get it in on the turn, I suppose.

I could definitely defend folding because this line is more often a big hand than anything else, in my experience. On a dry board like this it's going to be strong more often than not, as they can't realistically have a draw. There are good arguments for folding, though I doubt I'd do it.

I don't think it's as cut and dried as has been suggested.

grantorino

Why can't we fold?

We get c/r 3 way on a bone dry board by someone who limpcalls pre.

Not saying you should definitely fold, but it's not a fist pump get it in spot unless people have reads on villain. I prob get it in v this stack, v a full stack readless I give serious consideration to folding

rancid

What you beating when oppo raises JJ/A10/bluffs
oppo may aswel have typed it in chat
we then just level ourselves by saying oppo ain't got enough behind, maybe happy getting it in versus me with TP
does oppo not think about what your going to shove with ?

reads would be nice regarding pre and oppo tendacies with TP on flop

readless I just fold, If I think oppo will stack like this with TP and plays JJ this way then I shove
I guess you could say oppo has this much behind so is more likely to want to get it in with TP, but oppo that limp/calls pre and then goes like this on flop - not loving it - have you seen oppo readily getting it with TP hands before ?

Curt360x27

I think folding here readless would be pretty bad.

Yes his line looks very strong but we can make this call knowing QQ are going to be good a decent % of the time, the fact the villain is short stacked and we can make notes if he flips over a set so we never go broke vs. him in similar spots in the future.

pr1nnyraid

Why are we 7x ing on the button??!!

IDONKCALLU

3 limpers pinny i dnt wanna go £2 and get 5 callers i wanted to go heads up in the hand 

and gt i wasnt fist pumping i was considering folding as i hate the min raise looks so strong if the villain shoved i snap call but the min raise looks soooooooo strong but still got my chips in sigh  

percival09

The amount of times a fish turns up w/ worse here means you have to get it in imo

BorinLoner

Interesting spot at a live tournament table a couple of years ago:

Double chance tournament with starting stacks at 2k + 2k. First level, Blinds 25/50:

I'm in the big blind and the entire table limps. I look down at two red Queens and think "Hmmm... 3x + 1x per limper", so I make it 650 to go (I know that's 13x, not 12x). I get one caller. "Huh? What?"

Flop comes all low cards with two diamonds. I ask the guy how much he has back and he puts his remaining 950 in, out of turn. I snap call and he shows me 6d2d, with no pair. My QQ holds up.

So the question is; how far do we advise people to take this 3x + 1x system? lol

(Obviously I wouldn't go so big now I'm a bit more experienced. I final-tabled that tournament though.)

pr1nnyraid

In Response to Re: 40nl What do we do on the turn once we get raised do we go with it and shove here?:

3 limpers pinny i dnt wanna go £2 and get 5 callers
Posted by IDONKCALLU

Okay great, everyone now knows you have JJ+. Prepare to see alot of folds to your cbet and when you get action you are wayyyy behind. 

IDONKCALLU

but if i raise small soon as 1 cals every 1 calls and qq wont win 5 way surelys id rather play it heads up 

NColley

lol @ saying limp/callers are going to put hero on a range

Lambert180

In Response to Re: 40nl What do we do on the turn once we get raised do we go with it and shove here?:

but if i raise small soon as 1 cals every 1 calls and qq wont win 5 way surelys id rather play it heads up 
Posted by IDONKCALLU

It'll win less often but win more ££.

pr1nnyraid

In Response to Re: 40nl What do we do on the turn once we get raised do we go with it and shove here?:

lol @ saying limp/callers are going to put hero on a range
Posted by NColley

Any old mug can play for 20 mins with someone and then suddenly see them raise 7x from the blinds and think "That's a big pair" even if they never heard the word range in this context.