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What do we do on the river call /fold

edited October 2012 in The Poker Clinic
Jonno02Small blind £0.10£0.10£133.86matrixxsBig blind £0.20£0.30£31.90 Your hole cardsAA   IDONKCALLURaise £0.60£0.90£23.17badtaste01Fold    katieboobsCall £0.60£1.50£16.48DonttelmumFold    Jonno02Fold    matrixxsFold    Flop  QK2   IDONKCALLUBet £1.00£2.50£22.17katieboobsCall £1.00£3.50£15.48Turn  2   IDONKCALLUBet £2.20£5.70£19.97katieboobsRaise £6.15£11.85£9.33IDONKCALLUCall £3.95£15.80£16.02River  7   IDONKCALLUCheck    katieboobsBet £7.90£23.70£1.43

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  • edited October 2012
    In Response to What do we do on the river call /fold:
    Jonno02 Small blind   £0.10 £0.10 £133.86 matrixxs Big blind   £0.20 £0.30 £31.90   Your hole cards A A       IDONKCALLU Raise   £0.60 £0.90 £23.17 badtaste01 Fold         katieboobs Call   £0.60 £1.50 £16.48 Donttelmum Fold         Jonno02 Fold         matrixxs Fold         Flop     Q K 2       IDONKCALLU Bet   £1.00 £2.50 £22.17 katieboobs Call   £1.00 £3.50 £15.48 Turn     2       IDONKCALLU Bet   £2.20 £5.70 £19.97 katieboobs Raise   £6.15 £11.85 £9.33 IDONKCALLU Call   £3.95 £15.80 £16.02 River     7       IDONKCALLU Check         katieboobs Bet   £7.90 £23.70 £1.43
    Posted by IDONKCALLU
    Well it's almost a tell when they bet river and leave thselves £1.80ish behind that they got the 2 but I think calling turn n foldin river for price your getting is just soo ridiculous. Call see 32hearts and say nice hand
  • edited October 2012
    Wouldn't be surprised to see QQ turned over too but don't think I'm
    Getting away Gita thing KQ they do same
  • edited October 2012
    Snap call river, AA should be the nuts on this board the way the hand has been played.
  • edited October 2012
    Surely we can't put them on a 2? How many 2's call the pre-flop raise and then call the c-bet on the KQ2 flop? I think trip 2's are so unlikely as not to be worth considering in the long-run.

    The turn raise is a little strange and scarey but there have to be plenty of times when they will be doing this with KQ. The only hands that I think are realistic that could beat us on this board are going to be sets or quads and for them to have a set we have to think they don't 3-bet pre-flop with QQ or KK. QQ is possible but not terribly likely, while I would think KK is extremely unlikely.

    If there are only two hands that beat us and one of those is unlikely, then we can't fold this river.

    Besides that, after calling the raise on the turn, I'd hate folding to a half-pot bet on the river. Just looking at the hand I'd think KQ and 22 are the most likely holdings and there are more combinations of KQ than 22. We only need to be right 1/4 times anyway for the call to be profitable.

    When we check this river we have to be doing so with the thought of allowing our opponent to take another shot at bluffing us, or overvalue a King. Call the river.
  • edited October 2012

    You're about to tell us they had quad 2's, aren't you?

  • edited October 2012
    The river changes nothing. In my oppinion this raise on the turn looks like the villian thinks they have a good hand and are expertly milking it for value. Your decicion must therefore be made on the turn as to what you are going to do on a blank river. A 2x hand here is rediculous and if we are going to factor in hands like J2, T2, A2 etc then really you should just expect this player to have any two cards at any time and just put this hand down to note compilation. It could be a boat but QQ and KK would probably have 3-bet pre.

    I think the villian has KQ. Call and make notes. Or fold to the turn raise if we already have notes to say the the villian is a bit nitty
  • edited October 2012
    they had 44 the turn raise had me confused but i couldnt fold was a well played by the opponent had me thinking 
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