Good Move or Spew?

DOOOOG

Hi,

 Any thoughts on this?

 I thought the short stack was shoving pretty light, so the idea was to isolate to prevent being outdrawn.

Cheers,

Doug

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
pete1954	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£0.81
seanyo10	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£3.91
	Your hole cards	K K
DOOOOG	Raise		£0.16	£0.22	£2.92
changjai	Fold
monkeeey	Fold
dgw69	Fold
pete1954	Call		£0.14	£0.36	£0.67
seanyo10	Raise		£0.24	£0.60	£3.67
DOOOOG	Call		£0.12	£0.72	£2.80
pete1954	Call		£0.12	£0.84	£0.55
Flop
		3 4 8
pete1954	All-in		£0.55	£1.39	£0.00
seanyo10	Call		£0.55	£1.94	£3.12
DOOOOG	All-in

Lambert180

Never ever flat call pre with KK at 4NL, straight away you've set fire to LOADS of profit by donig that. Once there's the raise to 12p, and 3bet to 24p, you should make it like 70p ish

All in is fine on the flop, but if you're gonna get aggro on a flop like this, just get aggro pre-flop when you KNOW (apart from the one obv hand) you'll have the best hand. You don't wanna be isolating for fear of getting outdrawn, if you keep playing KK defensively then you're gonna lose massive value.

grantorino

I think you should 4b pre in this situation at 4nl, unlikely either villain folds

Flop, if you shove it should be because you think villain calls. He's not folding better and you don't want him to fold worse. I prob raise smaller

Pipunch

short stack is shoving having caught any part of the board and any overpair probs

you only have £2 behind if i'm reading it correctly, the shove is fine i think. probably taking down a healthy pot. if you make it like £1.50 in the hope of getting called by worse you're pot committed anyway

and i think there's too much talk of '4NL'. bad players play at every stake and our mission is to make them make mistakes. a mistake here pre is calling with worse. you need to be reraising pre in order to get as much money in the pot when you think you're winning. then any shove post flop is going to be more likely to be called due to stack/pot size from villain. imo of course.

DOOOOG

Thanks folks, I'll aim to play these hands more aggressively pre-flop in future. 

I was right about the short stack who had 6c 8h but ended up getting coolered by the larger stack who called with Aces.

Cheers,

Doug