Different sort of problem

robbie1992

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
robbie1992	Small blind		£0.25	£0.25	£86.64
kcxyz	Big blind		£0.50	£0.75	£47.25
shawsok	Sit out
	Your hole cards	2 2
hhamza162	Fold
VINEY73	Fold
Wizwazwez	Raise		£1.50	£2.25	£54.60
robbie1992	Call		£1.25	£3.50	£85.39
kcxyz	Fold
Flop
		3 2 2
robbie1992	Check
Wizwazwez	Check
Turn
		8
robbie1992	Check
Wizwazwez	Bet		£2.63	£6.13	£51.97
robbie1992	Raise		£5.26	£11.39	£80.13
Wizwazwez	Call		£2.63	£14.02	£49.34
River
		6
robbie1992	Bet		£14.02	£28.04	£66.11
Wizwazwez	Call		£14.02	£42.06	£35.32
robbie1992	Show	2 2
Wizwazwez	Muck	K 8
robbie1992	Win	Four 2s	£40.26		£106.37

So i flopped a monster but on a flop that is unlikely to hit my oppoennt, do you think i got maximum value and what other ways can i play this hand, is it always check can prey for action and take it from there or would u have other strategys?

Lambert180

calling pre, fine.

Checking to the raiser on the flop is fine

I probably bet the turn because I don't want it to go check/check again, but checking isn't horrible if you think he'll have a stab. If you check/raise, then raise bigger imo.

And you got full pot on the river, can't ask for much more.

KKrippler

Min c/r turn and pot river, thats a terrible line imo.

Your lucky to get a call on the river.

BorinLoner

I agree with KKrippler. The min-check-raise on the turn is just about the worst thing you could do. Minimum raising post-flop is almost always bad.

In this case you have the nuts so you're raising for value. Going for the min-raise gains the minimum value on the occasions that you're called. It's also just about the scariest bet you can possibly make. Experienced playrs will see right through your hand strength. This is simply because if you were bluffing then you would never raise the minmum. If you had no hand you would want to offer your opponent a bad price to call. The min-raise basically says "I'm not afraid of anything. Please put more money in the pot."

So basically you really shouldn't min-raise at any stage after the flop. In cash poker you shouldn't min-raise at all, in fact. The only time that a min-raise can be reasonable in cash poker is when you and your opponent have alot of history with each other and the min-raise is a level. In other words, you might get them to do something silly by min-raising.

(Tournament poker is a bit different and min-raising pre-flop is pretty standard once the average stack drops to about 30BB.)

robbie1992

The min check raise on the turn was to make sure my opponent didnt fold, the pot on river is to look like i have nothing and have tried to steal, and it worked so im happy with what i done.  Was just wondering about different approaches

BorinLoner

In Response to Re: Different sort of problem:

The min check raise on the turn was to make sure my opponent didnt fold, the pot on river is to look like i have nothing and have tried to steal, and it worked so im happy with what i done.  Was just wondering about different approaches
Posted by robbie1992

But this is the problem; the min-raise gives him every chance to fold. Even if he doesn't, you're getting the minimum value from him and allowing him to see a river extremely cheaply. 

If he's holding some sort of draw, he'll call on the turn then fold on the river if he misses, so you get less than if you'd raised bigger on the turn. If you raise bigger on the turn and he hits his draw, you can win his full stack on the river. 

If he's a good player, he'll see your min-raise as strength and will either fold on the turn or will fold to your river bet. Whereas he might call a bigger raise on the turn and then possibly could call again on the river because he can think you're bluffing with that line... 

Simply because you got paid for full-pot on the river in this particular hand, doesn't mean you should be happy with your line. Over time this play will cost you alot of money. Even in this hand, you probably would have been paid more if you'd made a more standard raise on the turn.

grantorino

I prob bet turn, but like c/r too if you make it bigger

River I bet smaller