what's my move....fold??

waller02

pehaps the villain, who is also a forum reg, can enlighten me

waller02

30nl....villain is a well known good reg at this level (it aint dohhhh), I have him down as TAG player and I dont think he is calling pre without a big hand very often and never oop

He leads out on the flop......what can I expect here?? AQ no diamond? A with Kd (although I would have expected a 3 bet pre)......has he called with a J10d kinda hand and flopped the world?? KdQ??

I am drawing to the second nut flush..whats my move??

barrow09	Small blind		£0.15	£0.15	£30.15
x	Big blind		£0.30	£0.45	£40.23
	Your hole cards	Q Q
alanisking	Call		£0.30	£0.75	£31.01
chad1992	Call		£0.30	£1.05	£23.78
waller02	Raise		£1.80	£2.85	£37.95
barrow09	Fold
x	Call		£1.50	£4.35	£38.73
alanisking	Call		£1.50	£5.85	£29.51
chad1992	Call		£1.50	£7.35	£22.28
Flop
		5 3 A
x	Bet		£5.10	£12.45	£33.63
alanisking	Fold
chad1992	Fold
waller02	??

murray69

FlashFlush then

waller02

In Response to Re: what's my move....fold??:

FlashFlush then
Posted by murray69

whatever gave you that idea )

ah well I doubt he would mind....its hardly highlighting any bad play or owt

Pipunch

personally i think your move should be thus:

download software, hack into his computer, find his hole cards out then fold

liamboi11

I reckon he strong along the lines of 55-33 for set or flopped flush he is betting into 3 opponents and dont think tags do this much with just a draw imo.

so I prob fold because if you call and hit the diamond i dont think he puttin in another penny.

percival09

villain has 33 or 55 IMO. Easy fold 4 u.

waller02

i dunno what he had....i took the worst option and called.....then folded to blank turn.....must improve

percival09

reasons it's an easy fold are:

a) if you hit a diamond you wont get any more money out of villain if it is who I think it is unless he improves on the river and then you'll be behind OR if he already has you beat with the Kd

b) if you call and the turn's a blank villain is probs firing again to which you have to fold unless you hit the miracle Q, in which case you still might be behind

c) Basically the bottom of a good villains donking range here still has you owned

waller02

In Response to Re: what's my move....fold??:

reasons it's an easy fold are: a) if you hit a diamond you wont get any more money out of villain if it is who I think it is unless he improves on the river and then you'll be behind OR if he already has you beat with the Kd b) if you call and the turn's a blank villain is probs firing again to which you have to fold unless you hit the miracle Q, in which case you still might be behind c) Basically the bottom of a good villains donking range here still has you owned
Posted by percival09

yeah fully understand what ur saying.....difficult "in game" tho..........would the shove be too spewy??

percival09

Yeah... I'd expect villain to call with nearly his entire donk betting range. So definitely -ev.

waller02

would love to know what you did have villain.........come on be a man!!! haha

waller02

In Response to Re: what's my move....fold??:

Yeah... I'd expect villain to call with nearly his entire donk betting range. So definitely -ev.
Posted by percival09

cheers m8 anyway...sound advice as ever

percival09

You don't need him to tell u..... I'd actually put £1k on him having 33 or 55... if it is flashflush, ofc. 

t&c's:

if villain doesn't have 33 or 55 I am not obligated to pay anybody £1k. 

waller02

In Response to Re: what's my move....fold??:

You don't need him to tell u..... I'd actually put £1k on him having 33 or 55... if it is flashflush, ofc.  t&c's: if villain doesn't have 33 or 55 I am not obligated to pay anybody £1k. 
Posted by percival09

would you say my TAG read is accurate??

percival09

TBH, I've never played flashflush I don't think, but I know he grinds 30nl and used to grind 50nl. tag is probs right.

FlashFlush

Only just seen this.

I had AhKd, so good fold...Diamond on turn could of been interesting ;-)

Percival you owe 1k :P