Should I carry it on and bet river or give up?

FlashFlush

Don't know the oppo in this hand, I saw them get it all in pre with a very marginal hand when about 150BB deep and get lucky earlier in the night, so I expect his calling range to be larger than others.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
x	Small blind		£0.15	£0.15	£19.05
Ubbi4820	Big blind		£0.30	£0.45	£19.95
	Your hole cards	K J
Donttelmum	Fold
THESWISS	Fold
super_nova	Raise		£0.90	£1.35	£42.40
FlashFlush	Raise		£2.70	£4.05	£26.85
x	Call		£2.55	£6.60	£16.50
Ubbi4820	Fold
super_nova	Call		£1.80	£8.40	£40.60
Flop
		Q 4 8
x	Check
super_nova	Check
FlashFlush	Bet		£4.20	£12.60	£22.65
x	Call		£4.20	£16.80	£12.30
super_nova	Fold
Turn
		A
x	Check
FlashFlush	Check
River
		9
x	Check
FlashFlush

mrdavies

Looks like a weak Queen to me or maybe a low pair 66 77? After checking the Ace on turn I cant see you getting him off a queen but maybe a  bet on river gets him off the pair thought?

however, i may be wrong.

What was outcome?

DOHHHHHHH

Have to shove the turn imo! 

Your last chance of winning the hand after he flats the flop is for a K or A to hit the turn. 

I spose you can still ship it but I think the turn is a missed opportunity!

FlashFlush

In Response to Re: Should I carry it on and bet river or give up?:

Have to shove the turn imo!  Your last chance of winning the hand after he flats the flop is for a K or A to hit the turn.  I spose you can still ship it but I think the turn is a missed opportunity!
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

£22 into a £16 pot on a bluff? Would it not be better to half pot turn then shove river to make it more believable? Or is that bad because he is getting another card to hit?

DOHHHHHHH

Noooo, he only has £12.30 back right? 

£12 into a pot that's already £16.80 is about perfect size.

I also misread the hand first time round, I didn't realise we were 3 way on the flop. 

I wouldn't be cbetting, but It has more chance of working with your image I spose!?

IDONKCALLU

Deffo shoving the turn u reraised pre so ace is deffo in your range great card to rep

FlashFlush

Oh yeh. Didn't notice his stack!

yb

+1 to shoving turn, i'd also just flat call pre

Wacko90

shoving turn is probs your only way to win, betting the river will look way to bluffy and hel probs c/c with any q.

percival09

I like shoving ott after cbetting. If you're gonna give up I probs just don't cbet. More cos of the guy who cold called, but I suppose he's probs a fish which makes it ok

grantorino

I don't like the 3b pre if readless

I think giving up on flop is ok, jam turn as played, don't bet river

FlashFlush

In Response to Re: Should I carry it on and bet river or give up?:

I don't like the 3b pre if readless I think giving up on flop is ok, jam turn as played, don't bet river
Posted by grantorino

So basically the complete opposite I did on all 4 streets. lol FML

yb

meh i definitely like cbetting on this board 3way, you could make it a bit smaller though

percival09

In Response to Re: Should I carry it on and bet river or give up?:

meh i definitely like cbetting on this board 3way, you could make it a bit smaller though
Posted by yb

you think he makes them both fold enough of the time? considering a lot of the cold callers range is probs med pairs/AQ/AK/AA/KK etc...?

yb

In Response to Re: Should I carry it on and bet river or give up?:

In Response to Re: Should I carry it on and bet river or give up? : you think he makes them both fold enough of the time? considering a lot of the cold callers range is probs med pairs/AQ/AK/AA/KK etc...?
Posted by percival09

well if we bet like £3.50 we only need them to fold ~ 30% of the time to be profitable even if we had 0 equity when called, and as i think the op said the cold caller was a bit fishy i think he's range is wider than what you said there. so i definitely would be expecting a decent amount of c/f's on this type of board.

FlashFlush

I forgot to say the outcome! I bet out £8 and he called with AJ so the shoves on the turn wouldn't of worked lol. The Chet on the flop should if taken the pot really :-(

rancid

bet turn

river bet is getting called a lot