Now what do we do on the flop? after i raised n get reraised

IDONKCALLU

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Lambert180

I probably get it in cos...

What does he donk bet flop with? Can't see he'd be donkbetting the flop with a set or 78 when he could/should just let you c-bet, after your 3bet pre.

Bearing in mind this has been posted though, he probably has 56 lol.

GELDY

I'm happy for you to leave my name in, IDCU.

IDONKCALLU

soz forgot 2 take ya name out geldy

IDONKCALLU

i folded lambert sighhhhhhh tank folded i know most prob get stick for it but just a gut feeling says im beat coz i think geldy puts me on the hand i have and happy to play for stacks maybe im wrong

andybeth

fold.  He's never bluffing considering the action, The only draw hand is 910, and he never has that as he's flat your raise.

grantorino

Don't raise/fold without good reads imo, but this deep it might be okish. Think I prefer flatting flop if you dont want to get it in

rancid

In Response to Re: Now what do we do on the flop? after i raised n get reraised:

Don't raise/fold without good reads imo, but this deep it might be okish. Think I prefer flatting flop if you dont want to get it in
Posted by grantorino

+1

percival09

think it's a fold. he has way more nuts than air.

IDONKCALLU

flatting flop ? there are so  many bad turn cards for me tho i was raising for value 

waller02

I think I probs get it in..I'm with lambert when he says a donk bet with a set or 2 pair would b probs be unlikely.

Could he have a 99/10's kinda hand...but having said that I'm not sure if geldy would stack off with just a pair

Tough spot but I get it in.......come on geldy what u have?

percival09

don't think we should ever get it in otf here. think we can flat his 3bet and let him bluff again if that's what he's doing.

rancid

In Response to Re: Now what do we do on the flop? after i raised n get reraised:

flatting flop ? there are so  many bad turn cards for me tho i was raising for value 
Posted by IDONKCALLU

if your raising for value why are you know thinking about folding

percival09

In Response to Re: Now what do we do on the flop? after i raised n get reraised:

In Response to Re: Now what do we do on the flop? after i raised n get reraised : if your raising for value why are you know thinking about folding
Posted by rancid

because he's been 3bet on a super dry board. I don't think this 'if you raise with a value hand and get raised u have to go with it' works all the time. he's either bluffing or has the nutz. More likely he has the nutz. 

waller02

In Response to Re: Now what do we do on the flop? after i raised n get reraised:

In Response to Re: Now what do we do on the flop? after i raised n get reraised : because he's been 3bet on a super dry board. I don't think this 'if you raise with a value hand and get raised u have to go with it' works all the time. he's either bluffing or has the nutz. More likely he has the nutz. 
Posted by percival09

so you think geldy has donk bet with the nuts because he has put donk on AA/KK etc...

percival09

idk. i don't really like villains play if he has donk bet with a set, but ppl don't play perfectly..

i suppose he could be bluffing sometimes, although it'd be a weird bluff, and in which case I think idcu can flat his 3bet. i just fold until i find out what he does these weird moves with

IDONKCALLU

+ 1 to percy i raised for value but when i get raise on this dry flop dnt think geldy is doing it with worse then what i have i have played him a fair bit never done many moves against me i think he puts me on the exact hand i have so wants to play for stacks so i think he has a set alot here 

waller02

In Response to Re: Now what do we do on the flop? after i raised n get reraised:

idk. i don't really like villains play if he has donk bet with a set, but ppl don't play perfectly.. i suppose he could be bluffing sometimes, although it'd be a weird bluff, and in which case I think idcu can flat his 3bet. i just fold until i find out what he does these weird moves with
Posted by percival09

but if geldy has put donk on the overpair then the donk bet isnt bad play imo........its not something i would do personally, im trapping all day but it has put donk in a tough spot

are you ruling 99/10's out then or even JJ????

maybe getting it in on the flop might not be great but not sure I'm folding my aces here.....if it was a check raise I would be more inclined to fold

percival09

i don't think anyone who's half decent would turn up with 99-jj here. 

waller02

haha i have stacked off with an overpair there many a time.....so i guess ur right

rancid

In Response to Re: Now what do we do on the flop? after i raised n get reraised:

In Response to Re: Now what do we do on the flop? after i raised n get reraised : because he's been 3bet on a super dry board. I don't think this 'if you raise with a value hand and get raised u have to go with it' works all the time. he's either bluffing or has the nutz. More likely he has the nutz. 
Posted by percival09

Yeah I know that )

But when IDCU raises - what hands does he think oppo only raises with

better or bluff or worse

no point us telling him what range we put oppo on, like passing on our reads of oppo
don't think it's proper tbh - leaving names in just ain't cricket and then asks can geldy do this with worse - because that basically whats he is asking

sorry for the rant but it's just bad form these kind of threads

FWIW oppo has better, worse or bluff )
if IDCU doesn't know which oppo turns up with the most then maybe just flat

rancid

In Response to Re: Now what do we do on the flop? after i raised n get reraised:

flatting flop ? there are so  many bad turn cards for me tho i was raising for value 
Posted by IDONKCALLU

wouldn't worry about turn card, be more worried about the flat pre and now the lead -
what range does oppo lead - don't have to answer - just for yourself )

GELDY

i'm not going to reveal my hand - because we are not wanting this to become results orientated.

IDCU is a tricky opponent, when I play him I want to sow maximum seeds of confusion

in this spot, against IDCU, i will follow my line with a set, and with air, more often the latter, but occasionally the former.

i certainly don't regard it as bad play to occasionally do it with a set - you will often get called, no?

percival09

isn't horrendous. but idcu is always cbetting in a 3b pot here and a c/r is probs a bluff more often than a donk bet/3bet on such a dry flop. 

bearlyther

I dont like raising his lead here i much prefer i flat because we have to fold 100% when he comes back over the top like that.  I think hes leading here really strong to be honest.

grantorino

In Response to Re: Now what do we do on the flop? after i raised n get reraised:

flatting flop ? there are so  many bad turn cards for me tho i was raising for value 
Posted by IDONKCALLU

What bad turn cards?

Reads important, leaving name in bad idea in this sort of thread imo. 

Questions you need to ask:

What range does he donk with?

When I raise, what part of his range calls/raises?

The last question has to have a clear answer to make raise/fold the best option. for example does he b/c with draws, or does he b/3b

Flatting is a very valid option because you have lots of showdown value, but a hand you mightn't want to get 200bb over the line with