UKOPS ME exit, is this a call?

Slykllist

The oppo had played pretty much every hand since joining the table and had shown an ability to bluff, no other info on him.

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
**	Small blind		150.00	150.00	15738.75
CrazyBen23	Big blind		300.00	450.00	10535.00
	Your hole cards	Q 10
mullberry	Fold
bromley04	Fold
Slykllist	Raise		600.00	1050.00	13686.75
SoLack	Fold
**	Call		450.00	1500.00	15288.75
CrazyBen23	Fold
Flop
		A 10 Q
**	Bet		1125.00	2625.00	14163.75
Slykllist	Raise		2750.00	5375.00	10936.75
**	All-in		14163.75	19538.75	0.00
Slykllist	All-in		10936.75	30475.50	0.00
**	Unmatched bet		1602.00	28873.50	1602.00

RogueCell

Deffo a call imo with those reads.  So many worse hands are stacking off here.

Wacko90

Ok il throw in my opinion again mate. Really think this is quite an easy fold. Your only beating a stone cold bluff. Fd you can sort of rule out unless it kjss as you have the Qs and the As and 10s are out. Hes flat called oop pre, donk bet (people often do it with monsters), youve put a decent raise in but id be tempted to flat in position, either way raising is fine, he then shoves you have to fold. He has to have a10, aq or kj. I dont think hed be shoving a10 aq maybe, ak he would of 3 bet pre most likely. So imo you can put him on aq, kj or possibly a10. Or air, but its a risk you shouldnt be takign as on that board its so so unlikely.

TommyD

I know the hand so won't go into too much detail.

However when they shove on the flop IMO all we are beating are KsXs and Js9s, and even these have plenty of equity.  I can't see them ever having air and one pair hands on this board flat or fold your raise in general.  It's a tough fold but one you have to make from time to time to survive in a tournament.  The key card as Wacko has said is the Qs we hold, this cuts out so many semi bluff combo hands they could have here and makes it a fold IMO.

Slykllist

In Response to Re: UKOPS ME exit, is this a call?:

Ok il throw in my opinion again mate. Really think this is quite an easy fold. Your only beating a stone cold bluff. Fd you can sort of rule out unless it kjss as you have the Qs and the As and 10s are out. Hes flat called oop pre, donk bet (people often do it with monsters), youve put a decent raise in but id be tempted to flat in position, either way raising is fine, he then shoves you have to fold. He has to have a10, aq or kj. I dont think hed be shoving a10 aq maybe, ak he would of 3 bet pre most likely. So imo you can put him on aq, kj or possibly a10. Or air, but its a risk you shouldnt be takign as on that board its so so unlikely.
Posted by Wacko90

I already know and agree with your opinion, I posted here at the same time as on FB, always useful to get different perspectives

Slykllist

Cheers guys, I already know the answer but always worth getting feedback.

It was a rush of blood moment and I snap called it, if I sat back and thought about it I would have folded.  Wierdly, playing live I am 100% I would have folded here, which I think must highlight a leak in my online play however I'm not sure what the leak is, or what causes it???

Lambert180

In Response to Re: UKOPS ME exit, is this a call?:

Cheers guys, I already know the answer but always worth getting feedback. It was a rush of blood moment and I snap called it, if I sat back and thought about it I would have folded.  Wierdly, playing live I am 100% I would have folded here, which I think must highlight a leak in my online play however I'm not sure what the leak is, or what causes it???
Posted by Slykllist

I have the exact same problem Sly. I think the 'leak' is simply that here you get 10 seconds to make every decision, and live you can take 50 times that amount of time to think. I think I play so much better live than online, I'm always alot more focussed and take more time over my decisions.

Another strange thing (way off topic here), must be something wrong with my brain, but live I find it so much easier to assign a playing style to people where online it just doesn't seem to come as easy, I think it's cos they're just another avatar that I've seen a million times before, whereas live I can be like 'guy with glasses is X', 'ginger woman.. blah blah', more unique pictures in my brain so seems easier to remember traits of each.

That's why I think it would be good to get timebacks on here, doesn't have to be massive. 95% of decisions can be easily made in less than 10 seconds imo, but every now and then you get one where you'd like a bit more time. I guess it's just another thing you need to have in your skillset as an online player, quick thinking.

CUFCrp90

Don't really mind your play either way there OP, you can justify a call and equally justify a fold, its a really hard spot. Wouldn't just write it off as 100% fold though.

Just from my quick thought on the hand I guessed the raiser had a flush draw or AK/AJ which outdrew you?

beaneh

you raised the flop to stack off.

flat the flop if you're not comfortable getting it in, if you say he's playing ever hand then you have 2 pairs. go allins lol. if you're beat so wat, it's a cooler.

grantorino

In Response to Re: UKOPS ME exit, is this a call?:

you raised the flop to stack off. flat the flop if you're not comfortable getting it in, if you say he's playing ever hand then you have 2 pairs. go allins lol. if you're beat so wat, it's a cooler.
Posted by beaneh

Pretty much this

Like with your reads on this villain he can surely stack off with worse, if he can't don't raise