Should I almost always be checking the river in this sort of situation?

shakinaces

Ok, so I figure my initial raise is too light - and yes I do accept that I shouldn't be playing a junk hand like this.

But ignoring those errors, once I've been given the chance to bink two-pair for free and the flush doesn't come in, should I be looking to bet for value on this river or eschewing my naturally greedy tendancies and accepting that any return with this sort of junk should be taken and avoid being check-raised off the hand?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
streve180	Small blind		£0.04	£0.04	£5.45
smokeEZ	Big blind		£0.08	£0.12	£8.85
	Your hole cards	8 6
Haemophile	Fold
TheRat1	Call		£0.08	£0.20	£2.55
cougar26	Fold
shakinaces	Raise		£0.24	£0.44	£7.44
streve180	Call		£0.20	£0.64	£5.25
smokeEZ	Call		£0.16	£0.80	£8.69
TheRat1	Call		£0.16	£0.96	£2.39
Flop
		A 6 2
streve180	Check
smokeEZ	Check
TheRat1	Check
shakinaces	Check
Turn
		8
streve180	Check
smokeEZ	Check
TheRat1	Bet		£0.08	£1.04	£2.31
shakinaces	Raise		£0.60	£1.64	£6.84
streve180	Call		£0.60	£2.24	£4.65
smokeEZ	Fold
TheRat1	Fold
River
		3
streve180	Check

Lambert180

If you're gonna raise, then you should deffo c-bet the flop imo.

Then the turn is pretty fine, then definitely 100% it's a V-bet on the river imo

Wilhelm

I like checking the flop fwiw

You have to bet the river.  Cannot be leaving money behind at this level.

percival09

lamb you need to stop thinking of the game like that. I've seen a few of your last posts that say something along the lines of 'if you do this pre, then you must do this otf' .. pokerz isnt like that, each hand is completely diff

i check cos i don't think we get folds enough of the time and we have decent enough equity to check behind imo

yh i bet ~1.80 otr

shakinaces

Cheers for the feedback all, much appreciated.

Re: not c-betting, it may be that I'm just not aggressive enough but when I have three callers I struggle to get away from thinking that at least one of them must have an ace or mid pocket-pair - and if they are calling me with that pre-flop they are calling a c-bet on that flop.  As such, if I c-bet I fear I'm inflating the pot with a VERY marginal hand and setting myself up for a bit of a nightmare as the hand plays out.

That's my thought process on the flop anyway, appreciate it may well be flawed logic.

Lambert180

In Response to Re: Should I almost always be checking the river in this sort of situation?:

lamb you need to stop thinking of the game like that. I've seen a few of your last posts that say something along the lines of 'if you do this pre, then you must do this otf' .. pokerz isnt like that, each hand is completely diff i check cos i don't think we get folds enough of the time and we have decent enough equity to check behind imo yh i bet ~1.80 otr
Posted by percival09

I didn't mean it like we have to c-bet 100% of flops 100% of the time, but the way I'm thinking (and feel free to tell me where I'm going wrong) is the range of hands we raise/iso a limper would be c-betting this flop.

Don't think we'd ever give a free card to 3 other players if we'd iso'd with Ax, and don't think we'd be checking behind with 77-KK either. Ok maybe it's not so relevant at 8NL giving the thought process of alot of players BUT surely checking the flop means a competent opponent can rule out a massive amount of potential holdings?

percival09

yeah ofc. but the thing is we haven't iso'd the limper because 2 other players have come along so that's completely ****** us over. That means we have to adapt. I'm not so sure we would cbet 77-kk 4way. 

yeah ofc most of the time when we check, we never have Ax, but youre giving way too much credit to these players. they don't care what you do. they don't care what range u have. 

we bet and get called by 2 players? we have to  just give up, (unless we hit the miracle turn )

betting into 3 players is just spewy imo, and id still check if i had J10o - the fact we have 2nd pair just means we have some equity. 

we don't always have to rep the nuts. we had a plan pre, and that didnt work, adjust

mj8bs

its very unlikely Id bet that flop into 4 opponents. If id managed to get it to heads up, then I might fire some of the time, I might still check depending on the opponent. 

As for the river, I definitely 100% value bet - you can definitely get called by a LOT worse