20 nl is this a call on river

IDONKCALLU

opponents line is strong 3 bet pre n bet bet bet im thinking  aa kk or emtied the clip with air 

and had info on the opponent he said on the live show he bets small with the nuts  and hes bets were pretty big

farrier1Small blind £0.10£0.10£40.00RLT16Big blind £0.20£0.30£15.32 Your hole cardsQ9   1267Fold    wolvers17Fold    IDONKCALLURaise £0.60£0.90£52.05farrier1Raise £1.70£2.60£38.30RLT16Fold    IDONKCALLUCall £1.20£3.80£50.85Flop  77Q   farrier1Bet £2.85£6.65£35.45IDONKCALLUCall £2.85£9.50£48.00Turn  5   farrier1Bet £7.13£16.63£28.32IDONKCALLUCall £7.13£23.76£40.87River  7   farrier1Bet £17.82£41.58£10.50

DOHHHHHHH

fold turn

SHANXTA

In Response to Re: 20 nl is this a call on river:

fold turn
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

+1

esp vs this guy

percival09

don'tseehowhe'severbluffing

sighcall

Fold Pre, Fold to Re-raise pre, fold flop, fold turn, call river

percival09

In Response to Re: 20 nl is this a call on river:

Fold Pre, Fold to Re-raise pre, fold flop, fold turn, call river
Posted by sighcall

are you saying we shouldn't open pre?

percival09

and fwiw u can just fold ott. by the river im def folding, 2 wrongs dont make a right, youre def behind/splitting at best

bearlyther

Yep definately fine to peel the 3bet here in position call the flop its probly correct to fold turn aswell sometimes i will or wont definately folding river.

rancid

as above fold turn, if you call turn you have to call a 3/4 pot bet on river - strong line from oppo - unless you think oppo is barreling worse & bluffs

Padzz77

In Response to Re: 20 nl is this a call on river:

and fwiw u can just fold ott. by the river im def folding, 2 wrongs dont make a right, youre def behind/splitting at best
Posted by percival09

Having got as far as the river, is it not worth a call then?

Oppo would presumably take this line with AA or KK, but that doesnt necessarily mean he has to have those.

It's very difficult to put him on anything with a 7 in it given the pre-flop action.  (Not impossible, but very difficult).

QQ is not impossible, but with a Q in our hand and one on board, we might feel that is fairly unlikely.

If he has JJ or TT (maybe even a lower pair, though I admit they are less likely) why would he do anything different?  He's probably reasonably confident that WE dont have AA or KK.  He knows we might well have a Q, but if he checks and we shove, is he gonna be happy laying it down?  

I'm not saying that I think our hand is favourite here.  But isnt a 7 on the river pretty much as good as it gets (barring a Q, of course).  Do we not have sufficient odds to call having come this far?

 

offshoot

Because this is just a terrible board for him to bluff. He doesnt keep betting JJ or TT. He wont expect, or shouldnt expect to fold out a Q on the river, and it looks a lot like thats all we can really have.

1267

In Response to Re: 20 nl is this a call on river:

Because this is just a terrible board for him to bluff. He doesnt keep betting JJ or TT. He wont expect, or shouldnt expect to fold out a Q on the river, and it looks a lot like thats all we can really have.
Posted by offshoot

He had TT  lol.

offshoot

The outcome doesnt matter, only the reasoning behind the call, Hes way more likely to show up with AA or KK than a badly played TT or JJ.

percival09

yah +1offshoot. we make a bad call ott imo, so we should just fold otr cos it's v.unlikely he's bluffing otr. ofc we have no reads so... 

kidwiz10

Cant see him blufifng 3 streets here to be honest.

Ill go ahead and say a small percent of the time hes got AQ but 9/10 time shes gunna have kk or aa here.

I dont mind your call pre in position then on the flop but that turn bet of his looks like hes pricing you out on a flush draw so i let go on the turn.

Cant see him ever bluffing 3 streets and especially when river comes with that bet has to be one of two hands for sure.

murray69

If we call the turn, we have to call the river tho right?

SHANXTA

In Response to Re: 20 nl is this a call on river:

In Response to Re: 20 nl is this a call on river : He had TT  lol.
Posted by 1267

well it was obv that IDCU called and won coz the hands been posted in the clinic

IDONKCALLU

im not being results orientated i woulda posted this no matter what the outcome 

rancid

This is why poker is not black & white - reads for the win

readless it's a very easy fold on turn

problem with a lot of clinic hands is they are just in a vacuum and readless so..............if you have reads that oppo barrels worse as some kind of "I don't know if I am bluffing here" line then yeah just call )