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IS IT REALLY RANDOM??????

edited December 2012 in Poker Chat
i have been playing on sky for a while now and it seems the hands are not very random anymore......when in tournaments and you are with a smaller stack on the table, whatever you do, withever what hand you have, if you go all in 99% of the time you will lose to the larger stack. This is happening more and more, tonight, twice i went all in, once with AA, someone covered my bet with a 10,2 off suit!!!!!!!!!!!guess what he won with 3 tens.............

In the same tourno, another person went all in with AK suited, was called with 53 off, guess what pair 5's won....
it just seems that this site DOES NOT now have a random software, it seems it wants to reduce the numbers when it feels like.....

ANYONE else feel the same  or is it just me?

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  • edited December 2012
    just u and the other cool ppl in area 51
  • edited December 2012
    No, it's not random.

    By that I mean that when you're short-stacked, players who are deeper can and will call you with weak hands. This will happen to you far more often than it happens to them. If you allow yourself to get short-stacked, you will have to survive far more all-ins than deeper players.

    The fact is that everyone loses in tournament play apart from the eventual winner. Some of the players in that tournament run deep but still only ever get their chips in with the best hand. These players are almost always playing badly. They usually do not understand pot odds and complain when their short-stacked shove is called by a player who does understand pot odds. If a player doesn't get their money in with the worst hand sometimes, they need to look at their game.

    Bad beats happen to all players. Bad beats happen to tight players far more often than they happen to loose players.

    Sometimes players complain because they're knocked out by inexperienced players making poor calls. Good players know that this happens sometimes and they're happy to see these weak players win occassionally. If the best player always won, there would be no money in the game.

    However, if you're asking if the random number generator that Sky uses is sufficiently random, then the answer is yes. Sky gain nothing by cheating their customers.
  • edited December 2012
    Hi chancer
    I can oly +1 to Borin's post m8.
    I was a maths teacher and to put it mildly your sample size is a little small. Why don't you record the +ve and -ve variance when you go all-in but you will need over 100,000 results and even they will be skewed because you may be waiting until you have say 5BB's before going all-in. The big stacks can then call with a wider range and probably have two live cards which may then mean 60:40 equity in your favour but still a good chance for him. There are quite a few factors if you were to try to test if the RNG was fixed but a large sample would be needed. Would you believe that you would then need a sample of samples to further test the RNG as one sample wouldn't be statistically acceptable. And so it goes on..........
    You'd be better off  just saying its not fixed as what would SKY gain?
  • igeige
    edited December 2012
    However, if you're asking if the random number generator that Sky uses is sufficiently random, then the answer is yes. Sky gain nothing by cheating their customers.

    i dont no the answser re the rng or sky cheating their customers. how do you ?
    im not for one minute saying they do just wondering how you know.
  • edited December 2012

    How do I know that Sky gain nothing from cheating their customers?

    Since Sky Poker takes all it's revenue from rake and tournament fees, it would seem obvious that they don't profit financially from arranging for one player to beat another. Also, to do so would put Sky Poker and it's parent company in a very sticky situation if such a scheme were ever uncovered. Unlike other sites, the Sky name is attached to far more than just Poker and undermining confidence in the brand would be extremely detrimental to Sky's commercial interests. Risking the brand image of a multi-billion pound corporation merely to gain a few extra coppers for a particular poker player would obviously be horrendously stupid.

    How do I know that the random number generator is sufficiently random?

    As stated above, Sky would have no motive for it to be otherwise. I also know that Sky's software is independently audited and has been approved by the Alderney Gambling Control Commission.

    While it is theoretically possible that this is all an ellaborate conspiracy to defraud a few poor, gullible poker players, I have to ask what the motive would be and how could they keep it under wraps for so long...



    Mind you, some of that footage of the Apollo missions does look a bit dodgy.

  • igeige
    edited December 2012
    thanks for your reply, i understand why they wouldn't do it etc etc,but no one can be 100% sure. its your opinion fair enough, but its not fact. you stated reasons why you think that it would not be done which seems fair enough to me, but once again its only your opinion, anyhow have a good night, rob
  • edited December 2012
    Nothing can be proven to be 100% correct. There is no such thing as a scientific certainty. Does that mean that we don't know anything?

    You're right to say that this is my opinion but it's an opinion based upon a reasoned, logical analysis of the available evidence. When people say "it's only your opinion" they generally are inferring that alternative opinions are equally valid. That is not true unless those opinions can be backed up by equally reasoned, logical analysis of the available evidence.

    So unless someone would like to offer such an alternative or point out flaws in my argument, my opinion on this matter - which I know is shared by many, many others - is the only credible one. That's exactly the process by which all scientific knowledge is "discovered".




    (In a few years, after the "Sky Poker RNG swindle" has been uncovered, I'm going to feel pretty silly. lol)
  • edited December 2012
    In Response to IS IT REALLY RANDOM??????:
    i have been playing on sky for a while now and it seems the hands are not very random anymore......when in tournaments and you are with a smaller stack on the table, whatever you do, withever what hand you have, if you go all in 99% of the time you will lose to the larger stack. This is happening more and more, tonight, twice i went all in, once with AA, someone covered my bet with a 10,2 off suit!!!!!!!!!!!guess what he won with 3 tens............. In the same tourno, another person went all in with AK suited, was called with 53 off, guess what pair 5's won.... it just seems that this site DOES NOT now have a random software, it seems it wants to reduce the numbers when it feels like..... ANYONE else feel the same  or is it just me?
    Posted by thechancer
    Hi chancer,

    I respectfully suggest that the enboldened part is probably an exaggaration.

     
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