should i be shoving this river for value

IDONKCALLU

hoyle12Small blind 100.00100.004780.00IDONKCALLUBig blind 200.00300.003510.00 Your hole cardsJK   row10Fold    The_hedgeCall 200.00500.002765.00stenngunCall 200.00700.003825.00hoyle12Call 100.00800.004680.00IDONKCALLUCheck    Flop  JQJ   hoyle12Check    IDONKCALLUCheck    The_hedgeBet 200.001000.002565.00stenngunFold    hoyle12Fold    IDONKCALLUCall 200.001200.003310.00Turn  A   IDONKCALLUCheck    The_hedgeBet 200.001400.002365.00IDONKCALLURaise 800.002200.002510.00The_hedgeCall 600.002800.001765.00River  9   

Lambert180

No

percival09

yah easy value shove

i prefer leading otf

Lambert180

Sorry, I just re-read this hand cos I was like 'wtf is Percy saying it's a value shove for' then I realised you aint got 3rd pair, you've got trips lol.

Yeah shove.

unknown_username

yeah should shove hes prob just on a Q

bearlyther

Jam pre with 17 bigs against 2 limps in the cutoff and button

percival09

In Response to Re: should i be shoving this river for value:

Jam pre with 17 bigs against 2 limps in the cutoff and button
Posted by bearlyther

agreed - missed that

IDONKCALLU

tbh i disagree bearly ther

reason beeing i might aswell have 7 2 then n just shove because k j isnt great if i shove and get called i am never in great shape am i

Lambert180

You're unlikely to get calls the way it's played though and you add 800 to a 3500 stack which is pretty massive without even having to see a flop, and you're not always crushed when you're called, you can be in alot of flips and 40/60s so with the dead money in there, it's good.

kidwiz10

Well hes only got 1165 left and it looks like A10 to me.

So id just bet half pot which will set him in.

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: should i be shoving this river for value:

tbh i disagree bearly ther reason beeing i might aswell have 7 2 then n just shove because k j isnt great if i shove and get called i am never in great shape am i
Posted by IDONKCALLU

You say this every time, and every time I explain why you are wrong, yet you say it again next time!

How does JK play against 33/44/55/66/77/88/99/TT/A8/A9/AT?

How does 72o play against 33/44/55/66/77/88/99/TT/A8/A9/AT?

percival09

lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

IDONKCALLU

remind me again dohhhhh who crushes mtts :P

IDONKCALLU

if i get called i could easily be dominated k q a j etc basically im turning a gd hand into a bluff

NColley

I'd back dohhh over idcu in tourneys tbh

Your graph looks good but in reality you prob have less then 1/4 of the profit thats stated.

Jam pre

percival09

yeah in all honesty for someone who brags so much about 'crushing' mtts, you post a lot of v.standard hands that i could have played better when i was 3

splashies

In Response to Re: should i be shoving this river for value:

remind me again dohhhhh who crushes mtts :P
Posted by IDONKCALLU

The only thing you crush is the rebuy button.

bearlyther

This is a great spot for us to shove this is how a lot of people blind down to below 10 bigs when they miss spots like this to gather up blinds your shove is going to get through here most of the time and your hand plays well if you get called against there ranges.

Your hand plays terrible post flop in a 4 way limped pot out of position and you do not have the stack to play down the streets.

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: should i be shoving this river for value:

remind me again dohhhhh who crushes mtts :P
Posted by IDONKCALLU

Profit from all scheduled MTTs = $19.6k

Profit from all scheduled MTTs excluding sats = $7.3k

You've prob made $1k @ frenzies, if that. not $12,000!!!!!!! 

Still pretty good like But doesn't mean u can't improve.....

For example by understanding why KJo has significantly more value than 72 in this spot

Lambert180

Just lolz @ any hint that you're as good as Doh at MTTs (or any format)

rancid

very obvious shove pre, still shove river )

listen, learn & move on - it's a great steal spot

IDONKCALLU

haha u can laugh not many can turn £50 into nearly 3.8 k in 2 months by playing £11 mtts max apart from the sattelite primo bink for £920 so made 2.5k on solely mtts £11 mtts n less in 2 months im superbad me yeah im not good at mtts lol

dunno y i bother posting i dont learn nothing i am never jamming preflop

IDONKCALLU

i have alot of repect for dohhhhhs game i think hes 1 of if not the best cash game player at hes level and think hes far better at cash then mtts imo has a lot of moves etc if dohhh was on a cash table i wouldnt play him unless i am in position but in a mtt i would play any 1 im confident in my mtt game not a brag just confidence

if u aint got confidence why play the game your not going to play a mtt if you dont think your going to win it are ya

rancid

wow - how have you turned this into a brag thread )

Your reason for not shoving pre suck, face it - why post when your not willing to listen & learn -

No one is perfect at the game

"Your hand plays terrible post flop in a 4 way limped pot out of position and you do not have the stack to play down the streets"@Bearlyther

see DOHHHHS post regarding ranges

If we never re evalaute our game/ranges then we just don't improve tbh

Lambert180

Just listen to people and learn for once!

Daniel Negreanu probably has a lot of confidence and is a far better player than you but does that mean he would just completely disregard advice from other good players cos he thinks he knows it all? No.

If you're interested...

    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied   
Hand 0:     39.084%      36.30%     02.78%         1424710776     109161396.00   { KJo }
Hand 1:     60.916%      58.14%     02.78%         2281567200     109161396.00   { 22+, A8s+, KTs+, QTs+, A8o+, KJo+ }

DOHHHHHHH

You need to adjust the range to take out like AKs/AKo/AA/KK/QQ/JJ because we don't expect players to limp those.

Haven't been given any info to suggest they would anyway. 

AQs and TT prob unlikely too but w/e.

IDONKCALLU

   equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied   
Hand 0:     39.084%      36.30%     02.78%         1424710776     109161396.00   { KJo }
Hand 1:     60.916%      58.14%     02.78%         2281567200     109161396.00   { 22+, A8s+, KTs+, QTs+, A8o+, KJo+ }


am i meant to know all this in game in a 10 second timebar oh yeah im a bot lol

Lambert180

Well based on that


    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied   
Hand 0:     48.005%      44.55%     03.45%         1528714404     118542960.00   { KJo }
Hand 1:     51.995%      48.54%     03.45%         1665656892     118542960.00   { 99-22, AJs-A7s, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, AQo-ATo, KTo+, QTo+ }

Lambert180

No, but after the hand, you analyse/ask for help, then when someone tells you, realise they are the numbers, stop saying 'I just play from feeling' and take the advice that shoving is good, rather than just getting defensive.

You didn't know the numbers in game, but now you do, so now you must agree with the shove.

Wacko90

I think you should be shoving pre here.

IDONKCALLU

now i come out with summit silly 1 of u will bite :P

but i won more playing it like this if i jam pre i pick up 800 i won a whole lot more playing it like this